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Einstein's proof of God

questfortruth

questfortruth

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1213 said:
Sorry, I am not convinced about your theory, but I would like to know, is there any scripture in the Bible that says "angel of death is satan"?
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The dogma of Christianity says that God has nothing to do with Death. How then Angel of Death was created by God? God has created angel Lucifer, who then lost the existence, becoming satan.
 
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wellwisher

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questfortruth said:
If energy is equivalent to mass, then why do we make a difference between energy and mass? Because they are different things. Mass is measured by a mass-meter, and energy by an energy-meter.
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The equivalency of mass and energy; E=MC2, is a calculation used to determine the energy yield if we burned mass and converted it to energy. It was useful for calculating the yield of atomic and hydrogen bombs.

The sun, through the nuclear fusion in its core, is burning its mass and making energy. This energy escapes the sun, to heat the earth and can be viewed all over the galaxy and beyond. The sun's gravity can contain its mass, but it cannot contain all the energy that it converts. Mass and energy do not act the exact same way in terms of gravity, except at extreme gravity.

Energy is conserved; energy conservation, but the mass burn of the sun and all the stars, causes mass to disappear from the universe. Mass is not conserved the same way as energy. With local gravity lowering, due to stellar mass burn, we get expansion relative to the main summation sources of mass; galaxies.

General Relativity is about how mass and gravity causes space-time to contract. As mass burns over billions of years and energy departs, local gravity get lower and space-time expands; expansion of the universe.

Einstein's Theories of Relativity is about how different frames of reference will see space and time. These frames of reference can appear to behave differently. In Special Relativity, as velocity increases, time will slow and space will contract. At the speed of light time will appear to stop.

In the case of the 6 days of creation in Genesis, since science can show the universe is much older; 13 billion years in our earth reference, than the six days prediction of Genesius would only be valid in a reference that is moving very very close to the speed of light, where time nearly stops and billions of years appear to pass in a day. This would be the God reference; light of the world.

Genesis uses the God reference since the earth reference did not exist when the universe was first formed. Physics should have caught this reference mistake, but Atheist PC was too important in science. Man playing god, insisted on the earth reference, which is not universal. It is based on old science and the earth; reference, being the center of the universe.

Say you were in the God reference, at the speed of light, you would see our huge material universe appear to be a point-instant; primordial atom. If God was to slow down from his speed of light reference; just below the speed of light, the universe would appear to expand and time would appear to speed up, similar to the Big Bang. The boom of the Big Bang would be based on God's braking pattern, used to slow down his reference. God becoming man as the Son, shows that God slowed down to the earth reference to see what we see; bogeyman and fear due to law and Satan.

Dark matter and dark energy have never been seen in the lab to know they are real. Therefore we have seen dark matter and dark energy as many times in the lab as we have seen God in the lab. However, science only has faith in one, but not both, under the same blind conditions. There is a bias in science. Do as I say and not as I do.

The reason science needs dark energy and dark matter is because they cannot close the universal energy balance due to relative reference affect that Einstein spoke of. The earth reference is useful to us on earth, but it is not the universal reference, needed to close the universal energy balance. Our reference is so fast that energy appear spread out over vast time and vast space. This can be added together, much easier, in a reference where time stops and all is stacked as point; speed of light and point-instant view.

The result of the using the earth reference is there I missing energy. This necessitates the use of the dark matter and dark energy addendum to help account for energy anomalies that the standard model does not directly predict.

There is a fix, but it requires looking at the universe from the God reference, since Einstein said that the speed of light is the same in all inertial references. The God reference; speed of light, allows us to define a common reference, that can be seen the same way over the universe. This will allow a universal standard POV, for a genuine universal energy balance. The problem is Atheists think in terms of the earth reference and earth years and are afraid to change their relative superstitions to something closer to universal science.
 
exchemist

exchemist

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Subduction Zone said:
The mass energy equivalence formula tells you how much energy it would take to make a specific amount of mass. Conversely it also tells you how much energy would be made if we could convert all of that mass into energy.

Luckily for us it is very very difficult to do so.
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Erm, not quite, surely? It tells you that a certain amount of energy is associated with a certain amount of mass, and vice versa. One is not converted into the other. Both always go together. For instance, when you charge a battery its mass increases (though only by a tiny amount.)
 
exchemist

exchemist

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lewisnotmiller said:
That's not what Einstein said.
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Yeah, there must be more bogus quotes attributed to Einstein than to anyone else, alive or dead.:rolleyes:

There seems indeed to be no real evidence Einstein ever said such a thing, apart from one unsubstantiated assertion by someone called Gilbert Fowler White. Wikiquote has a whole paragraph about this one:

  • As quoted in Journal of France and Germany (1942–1944) by Gilbert Fowler White, in excerpt published in Living with Nature's Extremes: The Life of Gilbert Fowler White (2006) by Robert E. Hinshaw, p. 62. From the context it seems that White did not specify whether he had heard Einstein himself say this or whether he was repeating a quote that had been passed along by someone else, so without a primary source the validity of this quote should be considered questionable.
    Some have argued that elsewhere Einstein defined a "miracle" as a type of event he did not believe was possible—Einstein on Religion by Max Jammer (1999) quotes on p. 89 from a 1931 conversation Einstein had with David Reichinstein, where Reichinstein brought up philosopher Arthur Liebert's argument that the indeterminism of quantum mechanics might allow for the possibility of miracles, and Einstein replied that Liebert's argument dealt "with a domain in which lawful rationality [determinism] does not exist. A 'miracle,' however, is an exception from lawfulness; hence, there where lawfulness does not exist, also its exception, i.e., a miracle, cannot exist." ("Dort, wo eine Gesetzmässigkeit nicht vorhanden ist, kann auch ihre Ausnahme, d.h. ein Wunder, nicht existieren." D. Reichenstein, Die Religion der Gebildeten (1941), p. 21). However, it is clear from the context that Einstein was stating only that miracles cannot exist in a domain (quantum mechanics) where lawful rationality does not exist. He did not claim that miracles could never exist in any domain. Indeed, Einstein clearly believed, as seen in many quotations above, that the universe was comprehensible and rational, but he also described this characteristic of the universe as a "miracle". In another example, he is quoted as claiming belief in a God, "Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world."
If he ever did say it, or something like it, it would need to be read in context, not quote-mined in support of conventional religion, which Einstein seems not to have subscribed to.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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questfortruth said:
It follows from Einstein Equations.

It is sad that he hasn't said.
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What he actually said when asked about Arthur Liebert’s theory that uncertainty and in-determinism in quantum mechanics allows for the possibility of miracles was...

“with a domain in which lawful rationality does not exist. A miracle, however, is an exception from lawfulness; hence, there where lawfulness does not exist, also its exception, i.e., a miracle, cannot exist.”
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And once again Einstein is deliberately misquoted to bolster up religious beliefs
 
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