End times?

[InvestigateTruth]

The issue here is that Hinduism is a modern word.

I am thinking the best way to say this is that the principles of the Message of Krishna is found in many Hindu beliefs, as there are many Hindu that do not follow Krishna.

Regards Tony

Yes، @Aupmanyav was saying، Krishna or Buddha did not establish new Religion.
Well، thats true in a way. This is very similar to the Muslim belief. They say، Islam always existed. All Prophets were Muslims، including Noah or Moses. So، the Muslims dont believe Muhammad was the Founder of Islam. Seems Hinduism is the same. They dont think Krishna was the Founder of Hinduism، because they believe Hinduism existed before Krishna.
But as you say، the same principles existed before Krishna. But historically speaking، when was the first time، a Religion was called Hinduism؟ i am not sure there is a proof for that.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes، @Aupmanyav was saying، Krishna or Buddha did not establish new Religion.
Well، thats true in a way. This is very similar to the Muslim belief. They say، Islam always existed. All Prophets were Muslims، including Noah or Moses. So، the Muslims dont believe Muhammad was the Founder of Islam. Seems Hinduism is the same. They dont think Krishna was the Founder of Hinduism، because they believe Hinduism existed before Krishna.
But as you say، the same principles existed before Krishna. But historically speaking، when was the first time، a Religion was called Hinduism؟ i am not sure there is a proof for that.

It was the those on RF that practice under the umbrella of Hinduism that showed us to look into this more deeply. From what I found it became Hinduism over a period of time, but maybe around 1830 it became more popular. It is not really known.

Hindus - Wikipedia

"The historical development of Hindu self-identity within the local Indian population, in a religious or cultural sense, is unclear.[63][71] Competing theories state that Hindu identity developed in the British colonial era, or that it may have developed post-8th century CE after the Muslim invasions and medieval Hindu–Muslim wars.[71][72][73] A sense of Hindu identity and the term Hindu appears in some texts dated between the 13th and 18th century in Sanskrit and Bengali.[72][74] The 14th- and 18th-century Indian poets such as Vidyapati, Kabir and Eknath used the phrase Hindu dharma (Hinduism) and contrasted it with Turaka dharma (Islam).[71][75] The Christian friar Sebastiao Manrique used the term 'Hindu' in a religious context in 1649.[76] In the 18th century, European merchants and colonists began to refer to the followers of Indian religions collectively as Hindus, in contrast to Mohamedans for groups such as Turks, Mughals and Arabs, who were adherents of Islam.[63][68] By the mid-19th century, colonial orientalist texts further distinguished Hindus from Buddhists, Sikhs and Jains,[63] but the colonial laws continued to consider all of them to be within the scope of the term Hindu until about mid-20th century.[77] Scholars state that the custom of distinguishing between Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs is a modern phenomenon.[78][79][c]"

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

"A Baha’i denies no religion; > he accepts the Truth in all, < .."
"It makes no difference whether you have ever heard of Baha’u’llah or not,” was the answer, “the man who lives the life according to the teachings of Baha’u’llah is already a Baha’i.

Oh yeah, you accept all, but they have all been corrupted. Only yours has the whole truth. I understand that.
You seem to have borrowed it from Islam. They say "All people are born Muslims".
Muslims arrived at it firs. They are smart. You are only repeating it.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Oh yeah, you accept all, but they have all been corrupted. Only yours has the whole truth. I understand that.
You seem to have borrowed it from Islam. They say "All people are born Muslims".
Muslims arrived at it. They were smart. You are only repeating it.

Now you have the grasped concept of Progressive Revelation.

God borrows from all that has gone before and also makes all things new!

Amazing indeed, regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

But as you say، the same principles existed before Krishna. But historically speaking، when was the first time، a Religion was called Hinduism؟ i am not sure there is a proof for that.

The same principles, the same rules of the society existed even before any religion came up. Religions only repeat it. It is IMHO, is not instructions from any God.
No. Of course, Krishna was not the first and he did not give it any name. Krishna, Mahavira or Buddha talked only of 'dharma' (broadly 'duties').
The Central Asians, around 2,000 BCE were most probably the first to term India as the 'land of seven rivers' (Hapta-Hendu, Sapta-Saindhava), and the people living here as Hindus.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Kalki according to the timeline comes before Mahapralaya, ..
In my opinion.

That needs a little correction, Wizanda.
Kalki is supposed to come some 425,000 years from now at the end of this 'Kalayuga'. But that will not be 'end of times' or 'maha-pralaya' according to Hindu mythology. With the end of this Kaliyuga, this eon (Manvantara) would end and after a break, a new one will begin. We are in the seventh manvantara and there are seven more to come. Similarly, the end of this Kalpa (a greater version of time), there will be many hundreds more. 'End of times' according to Hindu mythology is far away - 155 trillion years.
Hindu units of time - Wikipedia

 

[Aupmanyav]

Now you have the grasped concept of Progressive Revelation.
God borrows from all that has gone before and also makes all things new!

Well Tony, as an atheist I do not believe in existence of any God, so a God who borrows from others is beyond my understanding.
I only know that the rules of societies change with time. For example, Bahaollah perhaps said that homosexuality is an abomination and women are not equal to men (you will know better. Is that why you have no women members in your House of Justice?). But times have changed, and the rules of society have also changed. Now homosexuals are not castigated and women are given equal rights in civilized society. I do not see the intervention of any God / prophet / son / messenger / manifestation / Mahdi in this. Change of rules in society is a natural process.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What do you find funny in my post #83, Tony?

 

[rational experiences]

As Jesus like Moses testimony stated God earths mass change heavens mass body sacrificed...it was.

Cloud mass changed image of Man's own country national human DNA changed. His man's image then seen in those clouds. Just like the science man before him.

Different man image same circumstance.

Ground god sciences.

So Jesus put earth closer to its god mass destruction than Moses.

As Moses was mountain mass disintegration water shift.

Jesus a held four day temple pyramid carpenter earthquake.

Science caused. Earthquakes naturally short bursts energetic ground release. Got held. Men said we built the sacrifice causes carpenter ourselves.

By woods caused sacrifice of man's biology. Blood cell loss. Burning Bush teaching. Exact tree referenced seen causes.

Closest science had come to earth mass release as earths body destruction as particle release destruction to equal a star mass.

Very dangerous in fact more dangerous than Moses.

As earths fusion doesn't own stars mass energy held. The exact teaching why.

As Moses had severly weakened earths plates already. Demon strata ed by mountain mass disintegration.

As above so below.

Why men comparing the data of the same technology proved it was the same reasoning. Glass fused sand desert particles.

As scholars proved Jesus data was the very same causes as Moses. Compared just as notated. Old effects to new.

Owned a variable. The variable was Stonehenge.

Why the shroud 0 to 1000 year next bio sacrifice was kept as evidence. Yes it's real.

As ebola was blood unnaturally leeching out of the human body like stigmata terms. Inherited by nuclear atmospheric changes. Not stars cause.

The Russia return 1901 term. Star.

Man then began old new star technology suns nuclear conversion earth mass themselves.

As saving life sacrificed was the futures predictions. Type of cell bio change should have inherited a lesser dna change. Stated by the bible documentation.

As star hit mass was not ground inherited just heavenly inherited explosions. Cooler returns.

 

[rational experiences]

As humans in nature mutual pair on gods earth is by two.

There isn't any other humans argument that's real.

Without the other no human life exists beyond the first parents.

So in fact they don't. As they died as human advised. We do too.

We really live as just a sexual act and their memory.

Hence we relive their exact two human positions by our partnership.

It's why we knew any Inherited variation meant earths heavens ground mass had been changed.

Pretty basic natural mutual family to our extended family advice.

Not scientific.
Not religious scientific.

Natural just a humans awareness in our nature.

Even science study said the first type of human expressed DNA was the same for everyone's parents.

Only national ground mass or heavenly changes could have diversified DNA or mind brain conscious expression. Then sex inherited change.

Nothing to do with human organisation.

It's everything to do with being a natural human family first. No judgements.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What do you find funny in my post #83, Tony?

Your cheeky laugh.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

Your cheeky laugh.

What else could I do, Tony? I would like to see something original in Bahaism*, not just repeats.
* Other than Bahaollah's claim that he is a manifestation of Allah.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What else could I do, Tony? I would like to see something original in Bahaism*, not just repeats.
* Other than Bahaollah's claim that he is a manifestation of Allah.

The title of the OP indicates how original the Message of Baha'u'llah was.

The age of Prophecy was fulfilled. The age of fulfillment began.

Great change is happening.

Regards Tony

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The thing that always get me is that in Matthew it says that "all these things will come to pass within this generation"--why do Christians ignore that? The end times were then, not now.

There’s more than one fulfillment… not everything that Jesus said, happened back then.

If you’re really interested you can examine Matthew 24 closer. His disciples ask not only about “when will these things be” — the destruction of the Temple & Jewish system — but also about the “sign of (Jesus’) presence (“parousia”) and the end of the world.”

The “beginning of pangs of distress” (Matthew 24:8) actually began a greater fulfillment which started in 1914. WW1 brought a detrimental change to human society from which it has never recovered..
The evidence of this has been posted here before, but I’d be glad to post it again.

So long.

 

[rational experiences]

Rome founded the church years after 0 AD. From their constant star fall gained life sacrificed. Real.

ThAt had followed on from Jesus revelations. By new men reviews.

True updated books chosen written man's taken legal position. Against the sciences of occult. Nuclear.

No man is God. Don't give science names of the earth it's wrong.

So he taught man is the only begotten son of God via his father.

Meaning his holy mother's ovah.
The cell no man's body owned. O As God O his science. Human healer medical. Taught him. His holy baby life father's Inheritance was by holy mother of God. O. Exact. Stated.

God had given his mother the image O life continuance. Human life.

O ovah is how he taught his humans mans medical advice.

Today we look back on holy advice. It's passed already.

So bahu Allah. Says I Inherited in my nation by God a new tribal position man's DNA. In my adult life star fallen changed. I'm anew. Inherited.

As he was.

Jesus medical healer only teachings taught me.

As he did not espouse science. As Satan was diminishing. First attack body mass. Fallen star.

Stating in our future life can only gain greater messages.

Too bad nuclear Satanism was again chosen. Power plant. Once again updated better cooling pyramid model.

 

[wizanda]

With the end of this Kaliyuga, this eon (Manvantara) would end and after a break, a new one will begin.

Though I understand scholars have tried to calculate the date; what I understood from the Kalki Purana, is that when Kalki comes to vanquish Adharma personified, and bring in Satya Yuga, there is a fire that removes it after the Final Battle - This same timeline I was told by the Source of reality at 15, and is recorded similarly in Zoroastrian, Biblical, Islamic texts, etc.

The planet is dying, so this idea of hundreds of more years isn't viable; as we're at an accelerated rate of destruction, that needs addressing for any to survive.

What I saw at 15, was that there is a Quantum Fire that will cleanse here, as the Final Battle takes place, and then after the Enlightened Saints are resurrected into a restored "Eden"; this idea I believe is recorded the same in the Kalki Purana, as we come into an age of Enlightenment (Satya Yuga).

I'd love to teach people enlightenment, and to show what it means to be Dharmic; yet the world won't listen properly, as it has already fallen into degradation as stated.

1:28 In Kah-yuga, a person with a lot of money will naturally be respected as a great soul. If a twice-born person earns his livelihood by lending money on interest, he will be considered a pillar of society. The sannydsls of Kah-yuga will be attached to home and property, and householders will become devoid of all power of discrimination. In Kah-yuga, people will blaspheme a spiritual master or other elderly person without hesitation. Indeed, people in general will simply become hypocrites, liars, and cheaters

2:28 The four exalted brahmanas offered their obeisances unto Lord Visnu, who had assumed the form of a human being. They very well understood that Lord Kalki had appeared to rid the earth of all those who had become degraded to the level of sinful demons.

there will be many hundreds more. 'End of times' according to Hindu mythology

The terminology "End Times" Biblically was the end of this Age (Aeon) of Ungodliness, where in my understanding the Messiah (Sananda) returns before the Judgement Day Fire, and then the Messianic Age.

This is recorded the same in Zoroastrianism where Frashokereti (Judgement Day Fire), means 'making wonderful/excellent' - with the Saoshyant coming before it exegeting (Zand) the religious text.

In my understanding Kalki/Skanda brings in Satya Yuga, where I believe in the Bhagavad Gita it says Skanda comes as the final utterance before Mahapralaya.

I find part of the problem with defining Hinduism ideologies separate to the rest, is that it is all one reality, with One Source, and it communicated these ideas globally the same, then people have chosen to differentiate, which means they don't see the bigger picture is all part of the same contexts - Sort of like a jigsaw, where we need to put the puzzle together, to understand all the details properly.

In my opinion.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Wizanda, our (Hindu) reality is our reality, and anyone else's reality is hi/her reality. The two are different.
The interregnums between Yugas, Manvantaras and Kalpas are clearly mentioned.

BTW, I see that Krishna's time is wrongly calculated as some 5,000 years. They have not added the Dwapara / Kaliyuga interregnum (sandhya), which is 72,000 years. So, Krishna's time should be some 77,000 years ago. Kali Yuga did not start immediately after the conclusion of Krishna's age, i.e., Dwapara Yuga.
Hindu units of time - Wikipedia

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Rome founded the church years after 0 AD. From their constant star fall gained life sacrificed. Real.

ThAt had followed on from Jesus revelations. By new men reviews.

True updated books chosen written man's taken legal position. Against the sciences of occult. Nuclear.

No man is God. Don't give science names of the earth it's wrong.

So he taught man is the only begotten son of God via his father.

Meaning his holy mother's ovah.
The cell no man's body owned. O As God O his science. Human healer medical. Taught him. His holy baby life father's Inheritance was by holy mother of God. O. Exact. Stated.

God had given his mother the image O life continuance. Human life.

O ovah is how he taught his humans mans medical advice.

Today we look back on holy advice. It's passed already.

So bahu Allah. Says I Inherited in my nation by God a new tribal position man's DNA. In my adult life star fallen changed. I'm anew. Inherited.

As he was.

Jesus medical healer only teachings taught me.

As he did not espouse science. As Satan was diminishing. First attack body mass. Fallen star.

Stating in our future life can only gain greater messages.

Too bad nuclear Satanism was again chosen. Power plant. Once again updated better cooling pyramid model.

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand a word you’ve written, I rarely do!
I wish I did!

Maybe if I asked you a couple questions:

1. Do you think there is an Intelligence behind the forces we see in the universe and especially on this earth? YES or NO?
2. Do you think mankind will eventually solve all the problems we are facing by himself, and overcome the inequalities we see? YES or NO?

Best wishes to you, my cousin.

 

[rational experiences]

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand a word you’ve written, I rarely do!
I wish I did!

Maybe if I asked you a couple questions:

1. Do you think there is an Intelligence behind the forces we see in the universe and especially on this earth? YES or NO?
2. Do you think mankind will eventually solve all the problems we are facing by himself, and overcome the inequalities we see? YES or NO?

Best wishes to you, my cousin.

Intelligence behind. No.
Inequalities. No.

Destruction chaos once existed without holding. Non intelligence.

Balances existed once only.

Theists say eradication to begin again as position one equal balanced.

It's virtually. Theist saying I had control over two apes who had sex. Gained some type baby as first human. Inequality.

Then saying once when that ape type hasn't existed itself. Nor did his theory about ape and human.

 

[nPeace]

The sun will turn into a red giant, engulfing the planets and killing all life in billions of years. But in far less time, the human species will have evolved. Probably humans are too stupid to stay alive for much longer. Humans pollute the planet, make wars, build nukes, etc. I think that humans will die at their own hands long before nature kills them. Animals don't harm the planet the way humans do (and they say that we're smarter).

I always find Jesus words fascinating, and quite exciting
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(Luke 21:25-26) “25 Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. 26 People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

(Matthew 24:29-31) 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

I trust what he says, and I have more reason for confidence in what he says, than the modern day "experts".