Errors in the Quran

[ranvirk]

people started work on fingerprints in 19th century, world population has clocked 7 billion still no one with same fingerprint.

“Does man think that We Cannot assemble his bones? Nay, We are able
to put Together in perfect order The very tips of his fingers.” [Al-Qur’aan
75:3-4]
Unbelievers argue regarding resurrection taking place after bones of dead
people have disintegrated in the earth and how each individual would be
identified on the Day of Judgement. Almighty Allah answers that He can not
only assemble our bones but can also reconstruct perfectly our very
fingertips.

So before I give my answer to this, if someone was using finger print as a proof of one identity way before Mohammad revealed in Quran...will u accept that it's no longer a miracle...? It should not be difficult to answer from ur prospective

 

[Farrukh]

Wiki says The lowest point on dry land is the shore of the Dead Sea, shared by Israel, Palestine and Jordan, 418 m (1,371 ft) below sea level.

Quran says
The Byzantines(Romans) have been defeated
In the lowest land. But they, after their defeat, will overcome.
Within three to nine years. To Allah belongs the command before and after. And that day the believers will rejoice. Quran 30:2-4

these verses reveal that the Romans have been defeated (by Persians) in a place, which is the lowest land of earth.

word used for lower is أَدْنَى (Adna), this word has meanings like bottom, lower, below, down,... Google Translator

scholars of that time only considered this word as 'near' but Geology has revealed that it was the lowest part of the land on earth.

In 614 AD, five years after Bi'thaat (appointment of Muhammed as the prophet), a battle occurred between Iran (Persia) and Rome (Byzantine) in a place near Jerusalem. King Khosro Parviz, the emperor of Iran invaded Jerusalem and committed genocide and took the cross ascribed to Jesus Christ with himself.
Parviz continuously dominated the Romans until he conquered the Asia Minor (now Turkey), which was the greatest part of the empire of Byzantine in that time. In 617 AD, he advanced on the city of Constantine. Heraclius tried to flee. He dispatched the government properties to Africa but they were trapped by the Persian troops in Roman Sea and were called as the “unlooked-for and easy come treasure”. The great ones of Byzantine held Heraclius, not letting him flee and made him fight with the Persians. Eventually, in 622 AD, he vanquished the troops of Parviz in the port of Isus, which was located in the south of Asia Minor and this was the beginning of Romans’ victory over the Persians..
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[ranvirk]

Wiki says The lowest point on dry land is the shore of the Dead Sea, shared by Israel, Palestine and Jordan, 418 m (1,371 ft) below sea level.

Quran says
The Byzantines(Romans) have been defeated
In the lowest land. But they, after their defeat, will overcome.
Within three to nine years. To Allah belongs the command before and after. And that day the believers will rejoice. Quran 30:2-4

these verses reveal that the Romans have been defeated (by Persians) in a place, which is the lowest land of earth.

word used for lower is أَدْنَى (Adna), this word has meanings like bottom, lower, below, down,... Google Translator

scholars of that time only considered this word as 'near' but Geology has revealed that it was the lowest part of the land on earth.

In 614 AD, five years after Bi'thaat (appointment of Muhammed as the prophet), a battle occurred between Iran (Persia) and Rome (Byzantine) in a place near Jerusalem. King Khosro Parviz, the emperor of Iran invaded Jerusalem and committed genocide and took the cross ascribed to Jesus Christ with himself.
Parviz continuously dominated the Romans until he conquered the Asia Minor (now Turkey), which was the greatest part of the empire of Byzantine in that time. In 617 AD, he advanced on the city of Constantine. Heraclius tried to flee. He dispatched the government properties to Africa but they were trapped by the Persian troops in Roman Sea and were called as the “unlooked-for and easy come treasure”. The great ones of Byzantine held Heraclius, not letting him flee and made him fight with the Persians. Eventually, in 622 AD, he vanquished the troops of Parviz in the port of Isus, which was located in the south of Asia Minor and this was the beginning of Romans’ victory over the Persians..
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Sorry, but before moving to another topic. Can you please respond to my earlier two replies regarding Big Bang and finger prints. More than happy to argue on the above as well but let's finish on the previous two topics first.

 

[Farrukh]

Big Bang happened around 13.8 billion years ago ( approx) and
Earth is only 4.5 billion year old( again approx)..

So I am not really sure which earth is Mohamad refer ring to actually in this verse...
And last time I checked , earth was very much part of the cosmos and not separate..

The last thing u shud know is that the verse is another example of cosmic egg theory but from a different angle...nothing special about this verse, unless u want to simply ignore the facts in front of u

According to the ‘Big Bang’, the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a ‘Big Bang’ (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc.

 

[FearGod]

It's ironic that fear god think that I am cherry picking...

Before u give me any other translation, I am giving more examples:

Sahih International
Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?
Muhsin Khan
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
Pickthall
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?
Yusuf Ali
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
Shakir
Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?
Dr. Ghali
And have not the ones who disbelieved seen that the heavens and the earth were an integrated (mass), then We unseamed them, and of water We have made every living thing? Would they then not believe?

So all these translation points to the fact that earth was already there joined with heaven before Big Bang..not let's gets the math right here:

Big Bang happened around 13.8 billion years ago ( approx) and
Earth is only 4.5 billion year old( again approx)..

So I am not really sure which earth is Mohamad refer ring to actually in this verse...
And last time I checked , earth was very much part of the cosmos and not separate..

The last thing u shud know is that the verse is another example of cosmic egg theory but from a different angle...nothing special about this verse, unless u want to simply ignore the facts in front of u

What the relation between being one mass and your questioning about who's first and who's next,illustrate please your point.

 

[ranvirk]

According to the ‘Big Bang’, the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a ‘Big Bang’ (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc.

Ah, now I get it.. Btw where exactly is the above explained in the verse you quoted? And not the whole universe what in primary nebula..

Sadly, it's yet another great failing in the grasp of basic Education in the field.
With only the exception of Hydrogen, helium and lithium all elements to form the Earth were created through Nuclear Fusion inside the core of a star and even hydrogen itself could only form after the universe began to cool, the entire process up until the elements required for Earth existed ANYWHERE in the universe was over several Billion years , so again you are making your own assumptions..

Please note that I am no scientific expert but ur explanation is a proof of your ignorance in this field. I am happy to be corrected on details of Big Bang by a knowledgable person.

 

[ranvirk]

According to the ‘Big Bang’, the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a ‘Big Bang’ (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc.

What the relation between being one mass and your questioning about who's first and who's next,illustrate please your point.

I am saying that earth was not there at the start of Big Bang, so clearly the above verse is wrong..

 

[Farrukh]

What the relation between being one mass and your questioning about who's first and who's next,illustrate please your point.

there is a relation that we can't understand, before it was big bang, later it was mini bang ....
they have to deny everything always. but if scientist says our ancestors were pig and monkey, we will accept that blindly. see the difference
God is telling us that He has given human beings best of the shape but we can't accept that because we don't believe in revelation.

 

[Farrukh]

I am saying that earth was not there at the start of Big Bang, so clearly the above verse is wrong..

who knows? isn't it blind faith?

 

[ranvirk]

who knows? isn't it blind faith?

Haha.. What irony ..

Are you seriously questioning that earth was there at Big Bang despite all scientific evidence ?

 

[ranvirk]

there is a relation that we can't understand, before it was big bang, later it was mini bang ....
they have to deny everything always. but if scientist says our ancestors were pig and monkey, we will accept that blindly. see the difference
God is telling us that He has given human beings best of the shape but we can't accept that because we don't believe in revelation.

On the point of evolution , there is scientific evidence to support the theory ( if u know what scientific evidence means in the field of science)..

And I think fear god accepts evolution, read in one of his replies

 

[Farrukh]

in Cosmos A Space Time Odyssey S01E01 they bring sun on 31st August of cosmos calender and earth on 21st September, they show everything in ridiculous way but we have to believe blindly, rest of the space is spreading away, while moon is forming. they can fit anything anywhere.
but still they believe that how life started is a mystery.

 

[Farrukh]

Haha.. What irony ..

Are you seriously questioning that earth was there at Big Bang despite all scientific evidence ?

you are wasting time, see again

Then there was a ‘Big Bang’ (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc.

 

[Farrukh]

how you would like to deny post number 202 and post number 195 ??

 

[FearGod]

Haha.. What irony ..

Are you seriously questioning that earth was there at Big Bang despite all scientific evidence ?

No i think earth is an alien planet born from another universe,yes i think you have made a great silly point. :yes:

 

[FearGod]

On the point of evolution , there is scientific evidence to support the theory ( if u know what scientific evidence means in the field of science)..

And I think fear god accepts evolution, read in one of his replies

I believe in a new evolved planned and directed creation and not the magically evolved organisms.

 

[Farrukh]

“It is He Who has Let free the two bodies Of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, And the other salty and bitter; Yet has He Made a barrier between them, And a partition that is forbidden To be passed.” [Al-Qur’aan 25:53]

Modern science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet) and saltwater meet, the situation is somewhat different from that found in places where two seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuaries is a “Pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers.” This partition (zone of separation) has salinity different from both the fresh water and the salt water.

how a man from desert of Arabia can make such type of claims ?
how much we will deny?

 

[ranvirk]

I believe in a new evolved planned and directed creation and not the magically evolved organisms.

I was actually referring to the monkey comment

 

[Farrukh]

Previously humans did not know that plants too have male and female gender distinctions. Botany states that every plant has a male and female gender. Even the plants that are uni sexual have distinct elements of both male and female.
" 'And has sent Down water from the sky.’ With it have We produced Diverse pairs of plants Each separate from the others." Al Quran 20:53

 

[Farrukh]

And fruit Of every kind He made In pairs, two and two. Al Quran 13:3

none of us can utter such type of statement without getting good skills in Biology.