Errors in the Quran

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

FearGod,

As I mentioned I won't reply to post if you cannot answer the simple questions I've been asking.

So I will it answer it for you:

1. Did people believe the sky was a canopy/roof? Yes
2. Does the Koran describe the sky as a canopy/roof? Yes
3. Did they they believe they could see the sky was held up? Yes
4. Does the Koran claim the sky is being held up? Yes
3. Does the Koran mention this canopy/roof as a sign of Allahs existence to it's 7th century audience? Yes

One can only conclude the Koran is confirming the myth they believed in which was a solid canopy.

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

That looks stupid and a fabricated story which can be easily rejected by any smart mind.

The known planets that can be seen by the naked eye were Mercury,Venus,Mars,Jupiter & Saturn and they were seen as stars and were called the wandering stars,now adding to the five planets,earth,moon and the sun,so we get 8 heavens and not seven and what about the huge numbers of Stars in the sky,weren't they also heavenly objects and should be counted as well.

A lie can never live in a smart mind

What a pathetic response.
It's a fact people thought there were seven heavens that were in visible layers. As each visible heavenly body, the five visible planets, the sun and moon, travelled in a sphere.
The Earth was not considered a wandering star, so that's a red herring.

I will answer the questions you will avoid:

1. Did people believe there were seven heavens when the Koran was revealed? Yes
2. Does the Koran say there are seven heavens? Yes
2. Did people believe the seven heavens were visible? Yes
3. Does the koran say they are visible? Yes
4. Did people believe they were in layers on above another? Yes
5. Does the Koran claim the are in layers one above another? Yes
6. Does the koran claim the sevens is a sign of Allah existence to it's 7th century audience? Yes

One can only conclude that the koran is confirming and repeating the seven heavens myth that was prevalent back then.

 

[FearGod]

What a pathetic response.
It's a fact people thought there were seven heavens that were in visible layers. As each visible heavenly body, the five visible planets, the sun and moon, travelled in a sphere.
The Earth was not considered a wandering star, so that's a red herring.

I will answer the questions you will avoid:

1. Did people believe there were seven heavens when the Koran was revealed? Yes
2. Does the Koran say there are seven heavens? Yes
2. Did people believe the seven heavens were visible? Yes
3. Does the koran say they are visible? Yes
4. Did people believe they were in layers on above another? Yes
5. Does the Koran claim the are in layers one above another? Yes
6. Does the koran claim the sevens is a sign of Allah existence to it's 7th century audience? Yes

One can only conclude that the koran is confirming and repeating the seven heavens myth that was prevalent back then.

That contradict what you have said that they thought the sky is solid,so how they are 7 layers while all visible,fetch for a fake answer from your own imagination.

If they counted the heavens according to the number of the heavenly objects that can be visible to the naked eye,then what about the huge number of stars,why they didn't count them as well,fetch for a fake answer from your own imagination.

The seven heavens do exist,yes that is a fact,but the lie is,saying that they thought it to be the five wandering stars,plus moon and sun.

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

That contradict what you have said that they thought the sky is solid,so how they are 7 layers while all visible,fetch for a fake answer from your own imagination.
If they counted the heavens according to the number of the heavenly objects that can be visible to the naked eye,then what about the huge number of stars,why they didn't count them as well,fetch for a fake answer from your own imagination.

The seven heavens do exist,yes that is a fact,but the lie is,saying that they thought it to be the five wandering stars,plus moon and sun.

Lol, this not my own imagination.
I have given you a link and this is well known.
Here is another link to a book written about myths:

But the sun and moon and five other planets do not for long occupy by their positions relative to the other bodies; astronomers assigned a revolving sphere to each of these: seven concentric spheres...

Here is another quote:

...to the earth, and their return to heaven, through the seven planetary spheres.

Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions - Thomas William Doane - Google Books

The large number of stars move differently in the sky.
People thought the sky was solid and that there were seven heavenly spheres.
The Koran claims they were known to 7th century Arabs as they could see them and they were a sign from Allah!

 

[McBell]

55.037
YUSUFALI: When the sky is rent asunder, and it becomes red like ointment:

The correct translation for verse (55:37)
And when the heaven is split open and becomes rose-colored like oil -[/IMG]

um...
What is the difference?

 

[ranvirk]

Now miracles by definition are things that are not possible. No disrespect but Quran has stories that are similar to that in Bible. Please
Feel to correct me if I am wrong. Great flood, Adam and Eve story, etc r some examples.

Now I am not an atheist , but when I hear some claims by
Muslims about how evolution is false, great flood is Quran is not great. It a local flood so it's different from Bible, Mohamad split moon in half, etc the it does make me wonder their intellectual level. If someone claim these things in this era, we have to call them foolish.

 

[Assad91]

Now miracles by definition are things that are not possible. No disrespect but Quran has stories that are similar to that in Bible. Please
Feel to correct me if I am wrong. Great flood, Adam and Eve story, etc r some examples.

Now I am not an atheist , but when I hear some claims by
Muslims about how evolution is false, great flood is Quran is not great. It a local flood so it's different from Bible, Mohamad split moon in half, etc the it does make me wonder their intellectual level. If someone claim these things in this era, we have to call them foolish.

If you're going to criticize the intelligence of Muslims, at least use proper grammar. Genius.

 

[FearGod]

Lol, this not my own imagination.
I have given you a link and this is well known.
Here is another link to a book written about myths:

But the sun and moon and five other planets do not for long occupy by their positions relative to the other bodies; astronomers assigned a revolving sphere to each of these: seven concentric spheres...

Here is another quote:

...to the earth, and their return to heaven, through the seven planetary spheres.

Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions - Thomas William Doane - Google Books

The large number of stars move differently in the sky.
People thought the sky was solid and that there were seven heavenly spheres.
The Koran claims they were known to 7th century Arabs as they could see them and they were a sign from Allah!

What you thought and the others isn't a fact.

I showed you with evidence from the quran that the heaven isn't solid and moreover God mentioned in the quran that he is keeping in expanding it then how stupid to think of it as to be solid.

The sky We have built firmly and We are extending it. (51:47)

 

[McBell]

What you thought and the others isn't a fact.

I showed you with evidence from the quran that the heaven isn't solid and moreover God mentioned in the quran that he is keeping in expanding it then how stupid to think of it as to be solid.

The sky We have built firmly and We are extending it. (51:47)

Now all you need to do is show the Koran to be an authority outside you wanting the Koran to be an authority.

 

[OneTwo]

As you said, the quran says "on THAT day" referring to a day in a time frame which is unknown. You cannot dispute this with any real evidence to suggest otherwise, because that would mean showing me where God has told us that a day that he refers to is the same day that we experience.



I myself do not know however the day of resurrection is commonly called Judgement DAY, and if God is able to go through a human life beginning to end to show him why he is either going to hell or heaven and judge him by those actions with evidence, then I'm sure he will have a hard time doing that with the entire human race that has ever existed in 24 hours.



Therefore quite clearly it can be seen that a 'day' is not the construct of time that we abide by on Earth - refute this and you will have to show that a day in this scenario is different to a day in the one you referred to.

There are also hadiths that say Jesus will return before the people of Gog and Magog will be released and mentions other signs that have not yet occurred in regards to the final hour.

This is false, completely false.



And I will do my best to show you why..




Gog and Magog are two tribes of people that will cause corruption bla bla bla, to cut it short they are evil people.

Jesus according to religious people will come to restore Gods laws and triumph over all evil, and the way he does that is he will kill the antichrist = the leader of 'evil' people

Jesus will only return once the antichrist is in power and is ruling without competition.

Therefore at this moment evil is rife and we are in need of a saviour

This means that got and magog - the architects of a system that the antichrist wants to implement will not only have to be released before Jesus return but also be here for a while making a world system that the antichrist wishes to have before he himself can appear on this Earth.

This will be then followed by Jesus returning to kill him.

(I understand this theory is based on the fact that the antichrists mission is carried out by got and magog, and therefore there mission is to create a system of disarray and delusion for the antichrist - this again is believed by some and not all)




In regard to other signs that will happen in the last hour, please list them:

And as you think the last hour actually means the last hour, do you believe all these signs are going to appear 60 minutes before God pulls the plug on this universe?

Pretty short notice, wouldn't you say?

 

[yoda89]

That contradict what you have said that they thought the sky is solid,so how they are 7 layers while all visible,fetch for a fake answer from your own imagination.

If they counted the heavens according to the number of the heavenly objects that can be visible to the naked eye,then what about the huge number of stars,why they didn't count them as well,fetch for a fake answer from your own imagination.

The seven heavens do exist,yes that is a fact,but the lie is,saying that they thought it to be the five wandering stars,plus moon and sun.

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

What you thought and the others isn't a fact.

I showed you with evidence from the quran that the heaven isn't solid and moreover God mentioned in the quran that he is keeping in expanding it then how stupid to think of it as to be solid.

The sky We have built firmly and We are extending it. (51:47)

It is a fact people believed it.
The Koran is line with this myth, as usual you have ignored the relevant scripture.
The verse you describe was never translated this way, till recently.
It's a classic example of twisting the scripture to match modern knowledge.

 

[FearGod]

It is a fact people believed it.
The Koran is line with this myth, as usual you have ignored the relevant scripture.
The verse you describe was never translated this way, till recently.
It's a classic example of twisting the scripture to match modern knowledge.

Speaking as if you are an expert in the science of the quran while actually you are ignorant in the Arabic language and actual meaning of the quran.

Could you please tell me what this word means

If you don't know then it is better for me to ignore your posts,as it is hard to debate someone while he is ignorant in the topic.

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

Speaking as if you are an expert in the science of the quran while actually you are ignorant in the Arabic language and actual meaning of the quran.

Could you please tell me what this word means

If you don't know then it is better for me to ignore your posts,as it is hard to debate someone while he is ignorant in the topic.

I'm telling you how the classical scholars and early muslims understood the Koran. Those who understood classical Arabic best.
Which happens to correspond with what people believed back then.
You can twist words anyway you like, your imagination is your fantasy world!

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

So far we have seen how the Koran confirmed the prevalent myths of the solid canopy sky, the separation of the heavens and the visible seven heavens.

Lets now look at another popular myth during the time the Koran was revealed:

When the Koran was revealed people thought the heart was the organ where intelligence/knowledge was held. These days we refer to feeling and thoughts in the hearts as metaphors.
However, this wouldn't have been the case when the Koran was revealed.

Here is some information:
People in that era were unaware of the role of the brain and thought the heart was the centre of intelligence/knowledge:

The heart has played an important role in understanding the body since antiquity. In the fourth century B. C., the Greek philosopher Aristotle identified the heart as the most important organ of the body... It was the seat of intelligence, motion, and sensation ... center of vitality in the body. Other organs surrounding it (e.g. brain and lungs) simply existed to cool the heart.

Paula Findlen________MTW 10-11 ... heart.html

Does Allah know any better or does he repeat this myth as well:

017.036
SHAKIR: And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.

In the above verse Allah says don't follow something you have no knowledge about as Allah will question your heart, ears and eyes as to whether you had it. These three parts of the body according tothe Koran are used to process/gather knowledge.
The brain is where knowledge is kept not the heart but the Koran like people back then is unaware. This would've confirmed this myth to it's 7th century audience.


022.046
SHAKIR: Have they not travelled in the land so that they should have hearts with which to understand, or ears with which to hear? For surely it is not the eyes that are blind, but blind are the hearts which are in the breasts.

Once again in the above verse Allah claims people understand with their hearts. Again confirming this myth.

So if Allah belived in this myth, surely his prophet did too:


Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 429:

Narrated Malik bin Sasaa:

The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief..

So to summarise.
People back then believed the heart was the organ where knowledge/understanding was processed.
The Koran confirms this in two verses.
The prophet also claims this.
Once again the koran has repeated a popular 7th century myth, as one would expect it to do so if it was authored by a human being during that era.

 

[FearGod]

I'm telling you how the classical scholars and early muslims understood the Koran. Those who understood classical Arabic best.
Which happens to correspond with what people believed back then.
You can twist words anyway you like, your imagination is your fantasy world!

So you don't know Arabic,i can't debate you while you don't know what you are talking about.

How could you know that i had twisted the meaning of the word while you actually don't know Arabic ?

Should i give you lessons in the Arabic language ?
It is only a waste of time,sorry

 

[Breathe]

Should i give you lessons in the Arabic language ?

Could you give me lessons in Arabic?

 

[FearGod]

Could you give me lessons in Arabic?

You are welcome.

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

So you don't know Arabic,i can't debate you while you don't know what you are talking about.

How could you know that i had twisted the meaning of the word while you actually don't know Arabic ?

Should i give you lessons in the Arabic language ?
It is only a waste of time,sorry

I have already explained why.
You are not more qualified than the classical scholars, who understood classical Arabic better than you ever will.

 

[FearGod]

So far we have seen how the Koran confirmed the prevalent myths of the solid canopy sky, the separation of the heavens and the visible seven heavens.

Lets now look at another popular myth during the time the Koran was revealed:

When the Koran was revealed people thought the heart was the organ where intelligence/knowledge was held. These days we refer to feeling and thoughts in the hearts as metaphors.
However, this wouldn't have been the case when the Koran was revealed.

Here is some information:
People in that era were unaware of the role of the brain and thought the heart was the centre of intelligence/knowledge:

The heart has played an important role in understanding the body since antiquity. In the fourth century B. C., the Greek philosopher Aristotle identified the heart as the most important organ of the body... It was the seat of intelligence, motion, and sensation ... center of vitality in the body. Other organs surrounding it (e.g. brain and lungs) simply existed to cool the heart.

Paula Findlen________MTW 10-11 ... heart.html

Does Allah know any better or does he repeat this myth as well:

017.036
SHAKIR: And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.

In the above verse Allah says don't follow something you have no knowledge about as Allah will question your heart, ears and eyes as to whether you had it. These three parts of the body according tothe Koran are used to process/gather knowledge.
The brain is where knowledge is kept not the heart but the Koran like people back then is unaware. This would've confirmed this myth to it's 7th century audience.


022.046
SHAKIR: Have they not travelled in the land so that they should have hearts with which to understand, or ears with which to hear? For surely it is not the eyes that are blind, but blind are the hearts which are in the breasts.

Once again in the above verse Allah claims people understand with their hearts. Again confirming this myth.

So if Allah belived in this myth, surely his prophet did too:


Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 429:

Narrated Malik bin Sasaa:

The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief..

So to summarise.
People back then believed the heart was the organ where knowledge/understanding was processed.
The Koran confirms this in two verses.
The prophet also claims this.
Once again the koran has repeated a popular 7th century myth, as one would expect it to do so if it was authored by a human being during that era.

Do dogs and monkeys have brains ?

The problem in simple words "you don't want to learn" willful ignorance.

Any discussion with you is a waste of time,as i can't do it all the time in showing you the differences in the Arabic words.