Establishing the Creator (Atheist runs away when Muslim asks probing questions)

[Storm]

i'm not twisting, your post is quoted above, if i want to twist i'll play in it but i didn't

You know, if you had pled language barrier that would be one thing, but I really dislike dishonesty.

You took my post about how people are not a faceless mob that can be stereotyped and cited it as proof that we're all unworthy of God 'cause we don't want to believe.

That is, in fact, twisting my words, and you can take your little games and shove them where the sun don't shine.

 

[Debater Slayer]

no, i got it from some would and some wouldn't

Do you think that people should either believe based on faith alone without any tangible evidence or they are "unworthy," then?

 

[dynavert2012]

Do you think that people should either believe based on faith alone without any tangible evidence or they are "unworthy," then?

surly based on evidences, there are so much believes based on what we will choose based on evidences surly
but showing the god himself is not evidence it's like that a poor man asking the rich for charity and when the rich gives it to him in a too humble way the poor said shame on you and throw it in his face

 

[Storm]

surly based on evidences, there are so much believes based on what we will choose based on evidences surly
but showing the god himself is not evidence it's like that a poor man asking the rich for charity and when the rich gives it to him in a too humble way the poor said shame on you and throw it in his face

Feel free to present some of that evidence. Any time now.

 

[dynavert2012]

You know, if you had pled language barrier that would be one thing, but I really dislike dishonesty.

You took my post about how people are not a faceless mob that can be stereotyped and cited it as proof that we're all unworthy of God 'cause we don't want to believe.

That is, in fact, twisting my words, and you can take your little games and shove them where the sun don't shine.

why you got mad like that, by the way i had deleted it as you think i'm twisting your words and my apologizes if you are hurted but i'm not hishonest or meant that

 

[Debater Slayer]

surly based on evidences, there are so much believes based on what we will choose based on evidences surly
but showing the god himself is not evidence it's like that a poor man asking the rich for charity and when the rich gives it to him in a too humble way the poor said shame on you and throw it in his face

And what do you think are some of those evidences?

 

[Storm]

why you got mad like that, by the way i had deleted it as you think i'm twisting your words and my apologizes if you are hurted but i'm not hishonest or meant that

I'm pretty sure I just explained exactly why.

I appreciate the apology and deletion, though.

 

[dynavert2012]

Feel free to present some of that evidence. Any time now.

i think god's deniers who should give the proof, i don't like the way the author of the thread used because simply believers shouldn't prove god's existence for atheists but atheists who should do that "don't take it in a racism way" i don't mean that

But everything has a manufacturer, we accept that, why we exclude the universe of having a manufacturer? who exclude it should give the proof not who follow the same rule. you got what i meant?

 

[love]

the arabic scientists didn't need to release the information as that is what the Prophet Muhammad PBUH propagated around the world during his prophecy.

Surely if you are in doubt about the Quran not stating any evidential facts then you should certainly analyze the Quran first.


If we have mutually agreed that we are going to adopt scientific evidence as the basis for establishing the existence of a Creator you need to inform us what kind of evidence will satisfy you of the existence of the Creator.

Evidence of the Creator is in the fact that you exist.
Evidence that the Quran or the Bible or any other document as the absolute, final message that the Creator will give to men does not exist.
To believe this is to cut the Living God out of your life and try to figure out what the dead Prophets were trying to tell us centuries ago.
Muslims and Christians take it as their responsibilty to bring everyone around to their way of thinking. This is okay until the religion becomes law and people lose their right to seek God in a more personal and intimate way.
If your religion is colored in blood, how can I believe it is from God?

 

[Storm]

i think god's deniers who should give the proof, i don't like the way the author of the thread used because simply believers shouldn't prove god's existence for atheists but atheists who should do that "don't take it in a racism way" i don't mean that

But everything has a manufacturer, we accept that, why we exclude the universe of having a manufacturer? who exclude it should give the proof not who follow the same rule. you got what i meant?

This is a common fallacy known as shifting the burden. Actually, it's not a fallacy, it's base cheating. You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

BTW, I believe in God. I just don't pretend there's proof, because there isn't.

 

[dynavert2012]

This is a common fallacy known as shifting the burden. Actually, it's not a fallacy, it's base cheating. You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

BTW, I believe in God. I just don't pretend there's proof, because there isn't.

believers who don't claim, atheists who really claim that there's no manufacture for the world, i follow the rule all of us accept for anything

 

[Storm]

believers who don't claim, atheists who really claim that there's no manufacture for the world, i follow the rule all of us accept for anything

Yeah, yeah, 'oh, the humanity' and all that.

Look, it's very simple. You can present the evidence you insist exists, or you can essentially force people to conclude that you were lying when you said it was there.

 

[dynavert2012]

This is a common fallacy known as shifting the burden. Actually, it's not a fallacy, it's base cheating. You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

actually it seems you thought i'm too bad cheating !!!

 

[Storm]

actually it seems you thought i'm too bad cheating !!!

What?

 

[dynavert2012]

BTW, I believe in God. I just don't pretend there's proof, because there isn't.

good of you to believe in him

 

[Debater Slayer]

believers who don't claim, atheists who really claim that there's no manufacture for the world, i follow the rule all of us accept for anything

Some atheists classify themselves as agnostic atheists, which means that they don't reject belief in a god; they merely don't see enough evidence to support said belief.

That the universe could have been created by a deity doesn't necessarily mean that it was (unless there is solid evidence to suggest that), in my opinion.

 

[Storm]

good of you to believe in him

Yeah, I really don't require your approval.

 

[dynavert2012]

Yeah, yeah, 'oh, the humanity' and all that.

Look, it's very simple. You can present the evidence you insist exists, or you can essentially force people to conclude that you were lying when you said it was there.

well, i don't care about people's opinion about me, even i was the god, i'll not satisfy all of them, and i consider proving god's existence is an immoral thing in my mentality, i'll not do anything against it.

the evidence i have is for my own spirit and for who really answered me "why excluding the universe"
threatening me by ppl will say i'm liar i don't care i'm not better than Noah, Jesus, Moses and Mohamed peace upon all

 

[dynavert2012]

Yeah, I really don't require your approval.

thanks for your too welcome reply

 

[dynavert2012]

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That the universe could have been created by a deity doesn't necessarily mean that it was (unless there is solid evidence to suggest that), in my opinion.

i don't understand this, i can understand that they say yes it was created by god but he's not worth to be worshiped because of the evil in the world "as an example"