Eve more guilty than Adam

[look3467]

Simply..............it all comes down to one thing.

Faith! Either one has faith in God that what was written about Him is believed and is confirmed in one's daily life by having interaction with Him with results or, one has no faith in God that what was written of Him is not believed to the point where God can not be confirmed and the results reflecting that fact.

I can attest to His interacting with me on a daily basis.

Therefore, guilty is as guilty does.

The Old Adam (Adam's spirit) in me (Eve = earthen clay vessel) died when the new Adam was born in me. I am a new creature because of the Spirit of God born in me, as I reached for the fruit of the tree of life, ate and gained life everlasting.

My life has changed since then to where I have a daily relationship with God, through prayer, silent meditation, in my work, in my family in my daily communications with others with net results.

Against that are no arguments.

For unless one has results, one would be arguing in vain.

The experience of life is one thing, the experience with God is another.

All of us have the one, experience of life, but not all of us have the experience with God.

The one is lacking creating a void of what would be a life changing experience with God.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Awoon]

Life is Being at play...that is all

 

[look3467]

Life is Being at play...that is all

A play...like in as a stage play where life is acted out? All characters active and at the end of the play, just a story?

At the end of the play, people leave, the doors are shut and that's the end of it?

True, life is a play carried on the existence of time as individual actors on an earthen stage.
Given individual parts to play, I mean not given a choice in the matter, yet expected to play the part to our best ability with the option to change the script as written.

The script as written is, the lust of the eyes and the of the flesh is all ours to take and to have.
The option is, even though one has all those wonderful fleshly things to lust after, one must use discretion (Judgement) an upt to pursue a more meaningful path to play.

God offers us that path.

Blessings, AJ

 

[blackout]

Everything is always the woman's fault.

 

[Awoon]

A play...like in as a stage play where life is acted out? All characters active and at the end of the play, just a story?

At the end of the play, people leave, the doors are shut and that's the end of it?

True, life is a play carried on the existence of time as individual actors on an earthen stage.
Given individual parts to play, I mean not given a choice in the matter, yet expected to play the part to our best ability with the option to change the script as written.

The script as written is, the lust of the eyes and the of the flesh is all ours to take and to have.
The option is, even though one has all those wonderful fleshly things to lust after, one must use discretion (Judgement) an upt to pursue a more meaningful path to play.

God offers us that path.

Blessings, AJ

I said life is Being at play. Not life is a play.

You keep dividing Being. God being, you being, they being.

The seventh secret saying of God. "And God said how a firm foundation this was and said unto himself Get lost. And there you are"...Alan Watts

 

[look3467]

Everything is always the woman's fault.

Not! Eve being the earthen vessel in all of us, whether male or female is the weaker of the two.
Adam being the spiritual side of us being the stronger.

Other than that, God created the female (Physical)as the most beautiful creature on earth and the mother of creation.

Is that not an awesome calling?

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

I said life is Being at play. Not life is a play.

You keep dividing Being. God being, you being, they being.

The seventh secret saying of God. "And God said how a firm foundation this was and said unto himself Get lost. And there you are"...Alan Watts

Being is as an individual. Being at play is playing like the earth being our play ground.

I always refer being to that of being an individual, because that is precisely why we are/were in the predicament we were born into, to become individuals or as gods. Lower case g.

We needed, as gods to be reconciled back to the creator via the creators own actions.

The following verse states that fact: Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Apart from that, all we have is our will.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Awoon]

Being is as an individual. Being at play is playing like the earth being our play ground.

I always refer being to that of being an individual, because that is precisely why we are/were in the predicament we were born into, to become individuals or as gods. Lower case g.

We needed, as gods to be reconciled back to the creator via the creators own actions.

The following verse states that fact: Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subjectto vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Apart from that, all we have is our will.

Blessings, AJ

Individual means Undivided. Only ONE Being in the Universe. We live, move and are Being with it.

Too bad you havent learned that.

 

[look3467]

Individual means Undivided. Only ONE Being in the Universe. We live, move and are Being with it.

Too bad you havent learned that.

Individual at first, as in Adam, but one with God in Christ second.

But, if we don't acknowledge our oneness with Christ, then we remain individual gods.

If you understood it, you'd see we are both in agreement.

However, let me state that as one with Christ is as one with God, yet, having individuality as a soul.

You have a name and will be known by it.

Ref:1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

We are not a drop in an ocean, for if we were we would be lost in its immensity.

Unidentifiable.

As sons, we are individuals in and as one with God.

Now, if your view is as a drop in an ocean, then you are the one who does not understand the unity which is in Jesus Christ.

Ref:Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Does that mean we loose our individuality? Of course not, for God knew before hand the consequences of His creation in that He planned a rescue.

Jesus is that rescue, and only as sons of God and no longer sons of man.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

What old things are passed away?

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, (Who?)that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

What serves sin? The old man in us, as with the spirit of Adam we were born with?

Was not Adam and Eve the ones cast out? Are we not their offspring cast out as well?

well then, how do you propose to get back from that condition? Hmmmmm?

To get back, we must become one with God in Jesus Christ as a rebirth, becoming sons of God.

Our spirits are not lost in the onenesss of God as if we are simply nothing, or else why bother to create us?

Common sense logic.

Blessings, AJ

 

[McBell]

Common sense logic.

Ya had me until here.
Now all I can do is :biglaugh:

 

[Awoon]

Individual at first, as in Adam, but one with God in Christ second.

But, if we don't acknowledge our oneness with Christ, then we remain individual gods.

If you understood it, you'd see we are both in agreement.

However, let me state that as one with Christ is as one with God, yet, having individuality as a soul.

You have a name and will be known by it.

Ref:1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

We are not a drop in an ocean, for if we were we would be lost in its immensity.

Unidentifiable.

As sons, we are individuals in and as one with God.

Now, if your view is as a drop in an ocean, then you are the one who does not understand the unity which is in Jesus Christ.

Ref:Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Does that mean we loose our individuality? Of course not, for God knew before hand the consequences of His creation in that He planned a rescue.

Jesus is that rescue, and only as sons of God and no longer sons of man.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

What old things are passed away?

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, (Who?)that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

What serves sin? The old man in us, as with the spirit of Adam we were born with?

Was not Adam and Eve the ones cast out? Are we not their offspring cast out as well?

well then, how do you propose to get back from that condition? Hmmmmm?

To get back, we must become one with God in Jesus Christ as a rebirth, becoming sons of God.

Our spirits are not lost in the onenesss of God as if we are simply nothing, or else why bother to create us?

Common sense logic.

Blessings, AJ

Christ simply mean annointed. It's a title.

A @ E are NOT historical people.

Your whole sermon is for people who follow your belief system made up by other people of like beliefs that you bought.

 

[look3467]

Ya had me until here.
Now all I can do is :biglaugh:

I guess I'd better x-plain myself.

Think about it, for what purpose were we created if for nothing?

Obviously, in our reasoning, based on information given and what already is, logically speaking, we are worth something.

That something is then the key to our existence not only being subjected to vanity, unwillingly, but to by the same be subjected as well in hope of a rescue, a something after this one is over with.

My view now is that God has no preference as to a soul being with good or bad behavior.
The soul is what He looks at and is what he saves.

You and I are souls each with a name, whether we believe the same BELIEFS or not, yet we are both worth the death of his SON.

In that respect we are brother and or sisters.

You have your choice of belief and I have mine.

I have no problem with what you choose to believe.

I am here simply to express my views. Take of it any or all part of it, or nothing at all.

I gain nothing either way, but you might.

blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

Christ simply mean annointed. It's a title.

A @ E are NOT historical people.

Your whole sermon is for people who follow your belief system made up by other people of like beliefs that you bought.

If you will, I bought it whole, hook line and sinker!

I have a testimony to that effect as a real interchange in my daily life.

Anointed is not just simply, but profound. For no other individual on the face of this earth has ever had the full God head in Him.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Only under that condition can God save His own creation.

Can you point someone else that could do the same thing.....I mean reconcile the world back to God, willingly at the cost of loosing His own soul?

Was the world offered to Him if He would but only given in to its lustful desires as like we?

He refused it, for only then could He be obedient to God's will over the desires of the flesh.

You see, when we were created our individuality got us lost. Not that we wanted it that way, but because God wanted it that way.

If you can understand the reason for that you will understand the reason why Jesus came.

Blessings, AJ

 

[McBell]

Think about it, for what purpose were we created if for nothing?

You not only ASSUME that we were "created", you also ASSUME that we have some "purpose".

Obviously, in our reasoning, based on information given and what already is, logically speaking, we are worth something.

Obviously?
There is no "obviously" unless we assume your assumptions are correct.

That something is then the key to our existence not only being subjected to vanity, unwillingly, but to by the same be subjected as well in hope of a rescue, a something after this one is over with.

Your assumptions keep piling up.

My view now is that God has no preference as to a soul being with good or bad behavior.
The soul is what He looks at and is what he saves.

Are we to make assumptions concerning this thing you call "soul"?

You and I are souls each with a name, whether we believe the same BELIEFS or not, yet we are both worth the death of his SON.

In that respect we are brother and or sisters.

You have your choice of belief and I have mine.

I have no problem with what you choose to believe.

I am here simply to express my views. Take of it any or all part of it, or nothing at all.

I gain nothing either way, but you might.

blessings, AJ

Can you see how your sermon here is nothing but a huge pile of assumptions used to support your assumptions?
And you then claim "common sense logic"?

 

[Awoon]

If you will, I bought it whole, hook line and sinker!

I have a testimony to that effect as a real interchange in my daily life.

Anointed is not just simply, but profound. For no other individual on the face of this earth has ever had the full God head in Him.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Only under that condition can God save His own creation.

Can you point someone else that could do the same thing.....I mean reconcile the world back to God, willingly at the cost of loosing His own soul?

Was the world offered to Him if He would but only given in to its lustful desires as like we?

He refused it, for only then could He be obedient to God's will over the desires of the flesh.

You see, when we were created our individuality got us lost. Not that we wanted it that way, but because God wanted it that way.

If you can understand the reason for that you will understand the reason why Jesus came.

Blessings, AJ

Your whole sermon is the religion ABOUT Jesus that you cant even follow because it is exclusive to Jesus.

Now the religion OF Jesus was ALL INCLUSIVE :yes: His God let's it's rain and sun fall and shine on everyone regardless of their beliefs, thoughts, religions or actions.

Your religion does not.:no:

 

[look3467]

You not only ASSUME that we were "created", you also ASSUME that we have some "purpose".>>>Mestemia

Assume? Are you not also assuming that we were not created? And also again, are you not also assuming that we have no purpose?

Would you not error on the side that would give you hope and purpose verses, an unknown without no creation start or purpose?

Obviously?
There is no "obviously" unless we assume your assumptions are correct.

That I will give you. My assumptions error on the side of creation and purpose.

Your assumptions keep piling up.

Well of course, in making my case.

Are we to make assumptions concerning this thing you call "soul"?

Given the information and the understanding only when the spirit of God abides in us.

Can you see how your sermon here is nothing but a huge pile of assumptions used to support your assumptions?
And you then claim "common sense logic"?

A sermon does not request a verbal response but is given in one direction, while as I expect a response.

There are two ways to look at things in this life, one through spirit of God and the other through one's own eyes.

Do you question your existence? Why? And what for? If one leaves it at that, then nothing is gained.

To me it's a logical question to ask and common sense to decide that there must be a reason for my existence.

So, that causes me to look and seek to find answers.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

Your whole sermon is the religion ABOUT Jesus that you cant even follow because it is exclusive to Jesus.

Now the religion OF Jesus was ALL INCLUSIVE :yes: His God let's it's rain and sun fall and shine on everyone regardless of their beliefs, thoughts, religions or actions.

Your religion does not.:no:

Exclusive to Jesus yes! Absolutely! Can't you see yourself as in Him? If it is about you then it is about Him.

And you are absolutely correct, that God's Son (not Sun) shines and rains on all of us.

The problem exists to whether we can see the Son for the clouds (Confusion)and the rain (Blessings)for the drought.(lack of understanding)

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me.......

The knowledge of which is spoken of is of the tree of life.

Your religion does not.:no:

And which might that be? Can you point out the does nots?

Blessings, AJ

 

[McBell]

Assume? Are you not also assuming that we were not created? And also again, are you not also assuming that we have no purpose?

No, I make no assumption either way.
I do, however look at whatever "evidence" is made available and form my opinions accordingly.

Your whole sermon relies heavily on those two assumptions.
Thus, your sermon serves no purpose to those who do not agree with your assumptions.

Would you not error on the side that would give you hope and purpose verses, an unknown without no creation start or purpose?

Pascals Wager?
Really?

That I will give you. My assumptions error on the side of creation and purpose.

Meaning that you are not really looking for knowledge, but are instead merely preaching a sermon.
A sermon that will not convince anyone who does not already have inclinations in that direction.

Well of course, in making my case.

That's the thing though, you are not making a "case".
You are merely making assumptions.

Given the information and the understanding only when the spirit of God abides in us.

You have not given any information.
You have done nothing but make assumptions.

A sermon does not request a verbal response but is given in one direction, while as I expect a response.

There are two ways to look at things in this life, one through spirit of God and the other through one's own eyes.

False dichotomy.
Nice try though.

Do you question your existence? Why? And what for? If one leaves it at that, then nothing is gained.

As a matter of fact, I don't.
I gave up the fairy tales and the feel good stories long ago.

To me it's a logical question to ask and common sense to decide that there must be a reason for my existence.

Now if only you would apply logic and common sense (whatever that is) to finding out said reason...

So, that causes me to look and seek to find answers.

Ratification is a nice thing to have.
But it is not going to help you find truth or facts.

 

[Awoon]

Exclusive to Jesus yes! Absolutely! Can't you see yourself as in Him? If it is about you then it is about Him.

And you are absolutely correct, that God's Son (not Sun) shines and rains on all of us.

The problem exists to whether we can see the Son for the clouds (Confusion)and the rain (Blessings)for the drought.(lack of understanding)

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me.......

The knowledge of which is spoken of is of the tree of life.



And which might that be? Can you point out the does nots?

Blessings, AJ

Your religion is about Jesus it's not ALL INCLUSIVE. Your religion is exclusive to a belief system about Jesus, Not to the religion of Jesus.

Start demonstrating the religion of Jesus if you can.

 

[look3467]

No, I make no assumption either way.
I do, however look at whatever "evidence" is made available and form my opinions accordingly.

Your whole sermon relies heavily on those two assumptions.
Thus, your sermon serves no purpose to those who do not agree with your assumptions.>>>Mestemia

You do make judgments on the evidence presented to you correct? So you must assume one way or the other.

No assumption means no decision either way of which is meaningless. it is better to be hot or cold, that way one could see the other side distinctively. (Clearly opposed)

Pascals Wager

Quote from Wikipedia...Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit) is a suggestion posed by the French philosopher, mathematician, and physicist Blaise Pascal that even if the existence of God could not be determined through reason, a rational person should wager as though God exists, because living life accordingly has everything to gain, and nothing to lose.

The last part of that "because living life accordingly has everything to gain, and nothing to lose" is the side I rather error on.

And as I can attest to, I've gained more than what I've lost.

Have you?

Meaning that you are not really looking for knowledge, but are instead merely preaching a sermon.
A sermon that will not convince anyone who does not already have inclinations in that direction.

How can I speak if not from knowledge I've gained to speak of and if someone has a better view, present it here.

That's the thing though, you are not making a "case".
You are merely making assumptions.

I've set up over the many posts I've written the reasons why. Assuming you believe me or not?

You have not given any information.
You have done nothing but make assumptions.

Stuck on the word assumption?

Give me your best case? That is "assuming" you have a better one.

False dichotomy.
Nice try though.

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Contrast you think? false dichotomy?

Got a better explanation?

As a matter of fact, I don't.
I gave up the fairy tales and the feel good stories long ago.

Do you not value your life? Why are you living for then?

Now if only you would apply logic and common sense (whatever that is) to finding out said reason...

Which ever that is...is correct! Spiritually speaking common sense and logic or humanly speaking common sense and logic.

Darn those contrasts!

What if there was no tree of good and evil? No contrast? Then what? Do whatever the hell one wants?

But as it is, contrasts is what brings out the good in us!

Ratification is a nice thing to have.
But it is not going to help you find truth or facts.

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Justified: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sanctified: saved![/FONT]

Can you top that?

Blessings, AJ