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You also realize that women were given a harsher punishment as a result... and according to Paul, deemed pretty much lesser than man also as a result.
But honestly, I never took the first story literally, even as a Christian.
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You also realize that women were given a harsher punishment as a result... and according to Paul, deemed pretty much lesser than man also as a result.
But honestly, I never took the first story literally, even as a Christian.
REV 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
What we have here are picture words: "sawest upon the beast" represent the nation of Israel who saw Jesus as a whore as mingling with non Jews was seen as whoring around.
Therefore these words apply, "these shall hate the whore".
..."shall make her desolate and naked"... here is Jesus pictures as being rejected not only by His own, but by Peter and all His followers and then at the very end, by the Father Himself.
Ref: Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Naked at the cross! Totally exposed as nothing, for as God, Jesus could not save Himself, so the pharisees thought. ref:Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
So you see, Armageddon was Jesus surrounded by all forces and conquered (Put to death) but in death Jesus conquered all His foes (Forces) and in hell Jesus begin His kingdom.
We create our own Armageddons of which we have to deal with. When a nation strays from Godly principles, destruction is at the door.
Blessings, AJ
What we have here are picture words: "sawest upon the beast" represent the nation of Israel who saw Jesus as a whore as mingling with non Jews was seen as whoring around.
Therefore these words apply, "these shall hate the whore".
..."shall make her desolate and naked"... here is Jesus pictures as being rejected not only by His own, but by Peter and all His followers and then at the very end, by the Father Himself.
Ref: Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Naked at the cross! Totally exposed as nothing, for as God, Jesus could not save Himself, so the pharisees thought. ref:Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
So you see, Armageddon was Jesus surrounded by all forces and conquered (Put to death) but in death Jesus conquered all His foes (Forces) and in hell Jesus begin His kingdom.
We create our own Armageddons of which we have to deal with. When a nation strays from Godly principles, destruction is at the door.
Blessings, AJ
Women = all things beautiful and desirable and rightly given the privilege of replenishing the earth.
"blessed are thou" Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Mary is the picture of all women who are blessed by child bearing, for in child bearing the woman Mary gave birth to the Savior of all mankind.
Blessings, AJ
McBell
Unbound
Makes sense.
I mean, Jesus was a carpenter after all...
Does not a carpenter build?
Jesus was a spiritual carpenter! For the physical was already built. What was needed in the lives of all humanity was a rebirth spiritually.
Jesus built the house of God, not Salomon. Salomon's Temple is a picture of the human vessel that houses the spirit of which can be destroyed.
While the house Jesus built lasts forever. The house He built was the wilderness.
2SA 7:13 ""He shall build an house for my name,"" and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
PSALMS 58
PSA 58:1 To the chief Musician, Altaschith, Michtam of David. Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?
The day of the cross is as the congregation, as all the words of truth come together, and render to man the righteousness of Christ. All judgment is upon Jesus.
PSA 58:2 Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
The "heart" is the second day, seeing Jesus in hell. Looking at Jesus, seeing him as Lucifer, seeing him as a destroyer, but all things cursed are destroyed in Christ on the cross. Jesus is all the cities, all the people cursed because of sin, he is even the earth.
ISA 14:17 ""That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof;"" that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Note: Destroyed the cities there of are not literal but spiritual. The power of all that is earthly is spiritually destroyed in order to rebuild it again, meaning, we in Jesus can overcome all these powers.
[FONT="]Those in hell do not realize they have to wait till the third day to be raised up, Jesus can raise them up, but he is waiting on the lord, so the prophecies are fulfilled[/FONT]
Note: Destroyed the cities there of are not literal but spiritual. The power of all that is earthly is spiritually destroyed in order to rebuild it again, meaning, we in Jesus can overcome all these powers.
[FONT="]Those in hell do not realize they have to wait till the third day to be raised up, Jesus can raise them up, but he is waiting on the lord, so the prophecies are fulfilled[/FONT]
ZEC 9:11 ""As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.""
HOS 6:2 ""After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.""
HOS 6:3 ""Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord:"" his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
They do not "know" Jesus yet, they go to God, they are the ones at the gate of heaven which speak to the enemies or those that die not knowing Jesus, and they are witnesses to the love and mercy of God. They are the ones seen in the book of revelation which came out of great tribulation, or out of hell. The book of revelation is the day of the cross seen as 7 time periods, looked at as three pictures, a third at a time. The cross is axactly what it means a cross between two distinct time frames.
If one gets the symbol for infinity, stretch it out horizontally, the point where the two meet is the cross. Jesus is the end of the beginning of the first loop and the begining of no end to the second loop.
That is why all things destroyed is figuratively, of all that was in power holding humanity hostage, Jesus brought it to naught by nailing it to the cross.
The new House, made up of a wilderness made desolate, is the new kingdom of God by rebirth.
The house is built the day of the cross, seen as 7 time periods or as 7 mansions, each time period has words that apply to them. All the prophecies are lies till fulfilled. The words are as deceit. The tongue working deceitfully as a razor, the goats or 144 with Judas, seen as hairs in song of Solomon 4:1, are as shaven, "they plucked the hairs from my face," the hairs as goats, the teeth as sheep, plucking the hairs as a razor separates the sheep from the goats. This is done during the third time period from sunrise to noon, the judgment when the sheep and goats are separated, and the hairs plucked from Christs face, the face of a man is the third beast from sunrise to noon. The face is drawn in Song of Solomon chapter 4, when the events come together, the face is seen, this is the face seen at the great white throne of judgment, the face heaven and earth or the first two time periods fell from.
Ref: SOL 4:1 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: ""thy hair is as a flock of goats,"" that appear from mount Gilead.
SOL 4:2 ""Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep that are even shorn, which came up from the washing;"" whereof every one bear twins, and none is barren among them.
PSA 52:2 Thy tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp rasor, working deceitfully.
Jesus takes all iniquity, he is the one cut off. Jesus is the city of the lord, seen as Jerusalem, and as New Jerusalem. The wicked doers is Jesus, cut off as he dies for sin
That friends is how it was.
Blessings, AJ
Yes, Jesus died for the sins of the world as God. Jesus as God saw only what the father allowed Him to see as a man, and as a man desired only to do the will of the Father.
Blessings, AJ
People die for what they believe in. "Father bless them for what they are doing to me".....Jesus
The second sentence? Yes, that was Jesus' desire that by Him the world would be saved.
By His own words, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".
Blessings, AJ
Well if Jesus died FOR sin he would ask God to bless them for what they were doing to him.
Now if he died BECAUSE of sins he would ask God to forgive their Sin.
Big difference in dying FOR and dying BECAUSE.
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Because of sin, Jesus died period.
What Jesus had to do is reverse the death penalty incurred because of our becoming gods.
Now in Jesus, we retain our god status and not die because we are now born of God.
Our original birth (Physical) is from Adam which became lost.
Our rebirth is in God(of God in Jesus) thus rescued from death.
So, regardless of how you want to word it, sin is a trespass of which Jesus bought the tree, lock stock and barrel and paid by being hung on that tree.(Literally)
Blessings, AJ
The doctrine of the cross was not taught by Jesus or his seventy disciples which he sent out.
McBell
Unbound
Really?
Well, this is the first time I ever heard any one claim that the spirit is made of wood..
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
May I ask what you mean by "the doctrine of the cross"?
The purpose of the sacrifice? Either God sacrifices the whole of mankind to oblivion or He sacrifices one in the place of all.
So, the cross is that point where God does His work in Jesus as promised!
Jesus taught " Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
How could Jesus give them rest prior to the cross? For He was speaking of the resurrection of which His labour won us victory over the flesh.
Hence, we can find rest from our laboring in His.
Reject the cross and you reject the mission of the cross.
The cross was a must, or else you and I and everybody else would still be striving to be good enough to win our salvation.
And knowing myself, I would have died in vain trying.
God be thanked, not only did He allow me to witness personally pain and suffering through tribulations, but to gain life yet while I am in the flesh.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
So I glory in: Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
And your telling me that the cross is....well........[FONT="]Inadmissible?
Take the cross out and you tell me what's in its place?
Blessings, AJ
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What did I say? Jesus nor the seventy he sent out Taught or Preached about any sacrifice on a cross for anyone's sins.
Jesus didnt die for anyone. Simple as that.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Oh, okay. Thanks.
Jesus said at Luke [4v43] that he must preach the kingdom of God.....because that is why he was sent forth.
At Luke [10vs1,9] the seventy were to also proclaim: the kingdom of God.
So, the main theme of their going out was to preach and teach the good news of God's kingdom. -Matthew 24v14; 28vs19,20; Daniel 7vs13,14; 2v44.
That of course included that Jesus died for our sins. -Acts of the Apostles.
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