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Even Mainstream Conservatives Now Talk Of Violent Revolution

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
1) I suppose second class really means creating protected classes by which distinct advantages are promoted and creates disadvantages on others using forceful means on others and replacing otherwise more qualified and capable people with those lesser qualified and capable based soley on physical and ethnic characteristics and not ability. Aka affirmative action. That's number one for you.
Protected classes don't confer distinct advantages or disadvantages on anyone. They just mean you can't be mistreated based on those characteristics. For instance, race being a protected class means that no one, white, Black, Asian, etc. can be fired for their race. It doesn't mean only Black people can't be fired for it.

Affirmative action doesn't mean replacing more qualified or capable people with lesser-qualified ones. It means making sure certain classes get the treatment they should always have gotten.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Affirmative action doesn't mean replacing more qualified or capable people with lesser-qualified ones. It means making sure certain classes get the treatment they should always have gotten.
If only this were so.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Evidence?
My bad. In the US giving millions of dollars to politicians in order to sway them to grant you (and/or your agenda/company) legislation that favors you, is legal. :facepalm:
The NRA is one of the largest PACs in the US, and spend over 94% of their many millions of “campaign contributions” on Republicans who support them, and against Dems who sometimes oppose them.

Effect of the NRA (National Rifle Association) As a Citizens Special Interest Group Concerned With the Criminal Justice System | Office of Justice Programs

National Rifle Association lobbying expenditure U.S. 2023 | Statista

US gun control: What is the NRA and why is it so powerful?

What is the NRA?

Founded in 1871 as a recreational group designed to "promote and encourage rifle shooting", the National Rifle Association has grown into one of the most powerful political organisations in the US.
It lobbies heavily against all forms of gun control and argues aggressively that more guns make the country safer.
It relies on, and staunchly defends, a disputed interpretation of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, which it argues gives US citizens the rights to bear arms.

And of course, since the Citizens United by the conservative SCOTUS, the “funding” from such groups as the NRA has spiked dramatically; sometimes as much as 10 times their usual annual multimillion dollar submissions.

However, there are multiple claims that straight up bribery from the NRA is happening/has happened. But no arrests so far by police (who usually support the NRA), or the right-wing courts.

REPS LIEU AND RICE CALL FOR BRIBERY INVESTIGATION INTO NRA CHIEF EXECUTIVE WAYNE LAPIERRE
Senator Rubio: Return the NRA's bribe money
Representative Dennis Ross took NRA bribe money!
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
No, thanks. I make up my own mind after reading things from various news sources.
Your choice.

But as long as the likes of Fox News, OCANN and, yes, Conservapedia and the current version of the Republican Party present themselves as the true face of Conservatism and there is hardly any contestation, you - and everyone else - should expect us to believe them.

Whataboutism is a losing strategy as long as that is true.

Perhaps more to the point, you should expect a lasting and continuous loss of respect for conservative values and voices for the same reasons.

It would be rather irrational for that not to happen.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
My bad. In the US giving millions of dollars to politicians in order to sway them to grant you (and/or your agenda/company) legislation that favors you, is legal. :facepalm:
The NRA is one of the largest PACs in the US, and spend over 94% of their many millions of “campaign contributions” on Republicans who support them, and against Dems who sometimes oppose them.

Effect of the NRA (National Rifle Association) As a Citizens Special Interest Group Concerned With the Criminal Justice System | Office of Justice Programs

National Rifle Association lobbying expenditure U.S. 2023 | Statista

US gun control: What is the NRA and why is it so powerful?

What is the NRA?

Founded in 1871 as a recreational group designed to "promote and encourage rifle shooting", the National Rifle Association has grown into one of the most powerful political organisations in the US.
It lobbies heavily against all forms of gun control and argues aggressively that more guns make the country safer.
It relies on, and staunchly defends, a disputed interpretation of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, which it argues gives US citizens the rights to bear arms.

And of course, since the Citizens United by the conservative SCOTUS, the “funding” from such groups as the NRA has spiked dramatically; sometimes as much as 10 times their usual annual multimillion dollar submissions.

However, there are multiple claims that straight up bribery from the NRA is happening/has happened. But no arrests so far by police (who usually support the NRA), or the right-wing courts.

REPS LIEU AND RICE CALL FOR BRIBERY INVESTIGATION INTO NRA CHIEF EXECUTIVE WAYNE LAPIERRE
Senator Rubio: Return the NRA's bribe money
Representative Dennis Ross took NRA bribe money!
Many lobby on behalf of like minded folk.
This isn't fundamentally wrong.
I favor gun rights.
I favor bodily autonomy.
Many spend money to lobby in opposition.
So it goes.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Your choice.

But as long as the likes of Fox News, OCANN and, yes, Conservapedia and the current version of the Republican Party present themselves as the true face of Conservatism and there is hardly any contestation, you - and everyone else - should expect us to believe them.

Whataboutism is a losing strategy as long as that is true.

Perhaps more to the point, you should expect a lasting and continuous loss of respect for conservative values and voices for the same reasons.

It would be rather irrational for that not to happen.
Whatever you say.

I do read Fox News sometimes and I've heard of OCANN but never check it out, and never heard of Conservapedia. Sorry. And I am not playing "Whataboutism."
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Whatever you say.

I do read Fox News sometimes and I've heard of OCANN but never check it out, and never heard of Conservapedia. Sorry. And I am not playing "Whataboutism."
You've never been to Conservapedia?
Oh, you're in for a real treat.
 
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