Everyday Sexism by Females

[dgirl1986]

Every day.

I don't see it as a Men's Issue. I don't see it as a Feminism issue. I see it as a person issue, a society issue.

I am a male in the UK; my perception is not a day goes by without me hearing casual sexist comments invariably from females. I don't find such attitudes acceptable from anyone, but if such stuff was opined by males in mixed company they would get shot down. Why is it acceptable to come from the mouths of females?

In my opinion sexism goes both ways.

 

[Estro Felino]

Isn't it a tad more likely that some women mistreat their men because they are in the wrong and are fully capable of having sexist thoughts themselves?

That's absolutely right. But that is a consequence of loss of femininity.
Because if you think and act like a man...you lose that tenderness which men expect from their women.
And women act like men because they are sexist...they envy men and want to imitate them.
so your speech fits

 

[oldbadger]

Everyday Sexism by Females

Every day.

I don't see it as a Men's Issue. I don't see it as a Feminism issue. I see it as a person issue, a society issue.

Yeah.... I can remember when it was very bad.
A husband could get more info out of a hospital about a relative (wife!) if he got a female neighbour to call and make the enquiry! But that was 40 years ago. It's much much better now. Male relatives seem to have equal recognition in hospitals now, possibly due to the Equality Act 10'

But even now, females can get better responses than men in some situations. Three years ago one of our neighbours was being a total pain, banging and making foghorn sounds through the night, chucking yellow-lichen in our dog run, shouting in the early morning etc. I went and made a complaint and got nowhere so I asked Mrs B to do the same. The Police issued a written warning to the neighbours the same day!

But it has got much better....... still a way to go.
Ask yourself this, if a female neighbour leaned over the fence and fondled a male neighbours' hair, would he get the same response from Police as if a female reported having her hair fondled over the fence? :no:

Never mind..... things are better than they were.

 

[freethinker44]

Ask yourself this, if a female neighbour leaned over the fence and fondled a male neighbours' hair, would he get the same response from Police as if a female reported having her hair fondled over the fence? :no:

I think the general rule of thumb is, if women are persecuted it's sexism against women, if men are persecuted it's benevolent sexism against women.

 

[oldbadger]

I think the general rule of thumb is, if women are persecuted it's sexism against women, if men are persecuted it's benevolent sexism against women.

Damn...... but that's one hell of a loaded dice!

Mind you, in the UK women are having a harder time of 'equalisation' than men. It won't be long before the retirement age for women matches that of men, so whereas women could retire on State pension at 60 (men 65) they are now beginning to lose out 'big time' as their retirement age rises to match ours.

And they are beginning to lose their State widows pensions gradually. Widowers never got a State widower pension.

This Equality business can be hurtful!

 

[Riverwolf]

That's absolutely right. But that is a consequence of loss of femininity.
Because if you think and act like a man...you lose that tenderness which men expect from their women.
And women act like men because they are sexist...they envy men and want to imitate them.
so your speech fits

No, I don't think this is the case at all.

I expect tenderness from people who have that trait, regardless of gender.

I don't see it as "women acting like men". I see it as women acting like themselves, which may be contrary to what "traditional" society expects of them.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

That's absolutely right. But that is a consequence of loss of femininity.
Because if you think and act like a man...you lose that tenderness which men expect from their women.
And women act like men because they are sexist...they envy men and want to imitate them.
so your speech fits

I diasagree with the fundamental premise. And it is that women are naturally "tender" or "compassionate" or what not. At least any more than men. However we have established gender roles throughout our time here on the Earth and it affects the way we see things.

Being "mean" or "sexist" isn't inherent only to a single sex. Both are equally capable of forming independently. The reason why female on sexism isn't usually considered in the same vein when we talk about it as a problem is because there is not a massive problem that holds men back.

For example, is there racism towards Caucasians? Yes. Why isn't it a bigger deal? Because despite having individuals who take issue with race on the matter it doesn't become a debilitating factor in their life.

I am a Caucasian male in America. My career will never be stagnated because of my sex or race. That does not mean I won't be the victim of isolated incidents of sexism or racism but as a rule my race and sex will not work against me in my life.

But to round back to my original problem. Sexism itself (specifically female originating sexism towards men) is not women imitating men.

 

[dgirl1986]

No, I don't think this is the case at all.

I expect tenderness from people who have that trait, regardless of gender.

I don't see it as "women acting like men". I see it as women acting like themselves, which may be contrary to what "traditional" society expects of them.

A lot of people still think in terms of gender roles unfortunately.

 

[Riverwolf]

A lot of people still think in terms of gender roles unfortunately.

It's hard to break away from something that has been reinforced by every aspect of our culture, from art to language, ever since we were children.

Heck, I've even started considering alternative terms for what we've been calling "masculine" and "feminine."

 

[dgirl1986]

It's hard to break away from something that has been reinforced by every aspect of our culture, from art to language, ever since we were children.

Heck, I've even started considering alternative terms for what we've been calling "masculine" and "feminine."

It always feel so tragic when we have to start using different terms for what we mean.

 

[Riverwolf]

It always feel so tragic when we have to start using different terms for what we mean.

I know. I don't intend to start using them for a while, though.

Besides, it may not be 100% necessary. Rather, certain new terms that take parts of "masculine" and "feminine" that are not biologically limited to one gender.

 

[Estro Felino]

A lot of people still think in terms of gender roles unfortunately.

that's a relief. why shouldn't they?
If we categorize people exclusively on the basis of their genital organs, sex becomes a squalid mechanical act

 

[Riverwolf]

that's a relief. why shouldn't they?
If we categorize people exclusively on the basis of their genital organs, sex becomes a squalid mechanical act

Besides the fact that there's plenty of other factors in terms of categorization, no it doesn't.

 

[Estro Felino]

Besides the fact that there's plenty of other factors in terms of categorization,

...which are?

no it doesn't

well...what I meant is that if there is not a bit of spicy mystery between a man and a woman, it's like husband and wife were 2 friends who share sex moments. As if sex was a vital need like eating and sleeping.

No wonder that women become aggressive and judgmental towards their partners.

 

[beenie]

No wonder that women become aggressive and judgmental towards their partners. Because they treat them as equals. Which is wrong, because that magic between man and woman ends just like that

I'm not sure what you are saying here...

 

[Riverwolf]

...which are?

General actions in certain circumstances; political and religious views; perceived place in, and attitude towards, the immediate culture; hobbies; favorite forms of art; etc...

well...what I meant is that if there is not a bit of spicy mystery between a man and a woman, it's like husband and wife were 2 friends who share sex moments. As if sex was a vital need like eating and sleeping.

Well, news flash: unless you're asexual, it is.

I don't find mystery terribly sexy.

No wonder that women become aggressive and judgmental towards their partners.

I fail to see how that's relevant.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, news flash: unless you're asexual, it is.

Actually I admire males like you. Maybe I've understood what kind of man you are. You are a sensitive good guy who is very empathetic towards women, and who cares about their feelings. So you perceive women not just as erotic preys (like the 95% of males)

well...unfortunately most women have to deal with the remaining 95 % of males. That's why they restlessly think of their looks and their sex-appeal. Because if you don't look sexy, your man will get tired of you and dump you just like that.

I don't find mystery terribly sexy.

again: that's because you are different than the majority of males

 

[Estro Felino]

Do you have any actual science, Hays, to back up your absurdly childish claim that 95% of males regard women as erotic prey?

It would be great if you explained me why so many males get tired of their partners and they decide to dump them just like that.
well...I don't understand the concept of "getting tired of someone". As if it dealt with a thing and not with a person....This really makes me mystified.

So women do their best to avoid that their partners get tired of them

as for your question...I can assure you that only 5 out of 100 males are good guys who really respect women

 

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[Riverwolf]

Actually I admire males like you. Maybe I've understood what kind of man you are. You are a sensitive good guy who is very empathetic towards women, and who cares about their feelings. So you perceive women not just as erotic preys (like the 95% of males)

well...unfortunately most women have to deal with the remaining 95 % of males. That's why they restlessly think of their looks and their sex-appeal. Because if you don't look sexy, your man will get tired of you and dump you just like that.

Unfortunately, there are far too many sex-predators in this world, not all of them men. But I doubt it reaches to levels of 95%, at least in these parts. I don't know what it's like in Sicily, but one's own culture should never be used as a microcosm for the entire world.

In my culture, young women are pressured to look sexy by and for each other, more than for male partners.

again: that's because you are different than the majority of males

That's because of culture, not biology. Culture is the general dictator of what is generally regarded as sexy.