Evidence for a god existing or not existing

[Trailblazer]

Well it could show up looking like Michaelangelo's depiction on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The typical Christians notion of God is all powerful and could easily take that form.

All-powerful does not mean God 'can do anything.' It means has all power. God cannot do what is not within His nature to do, so God cannot materialize since God is spirit, and that is how we know that God did not become the man Jesus.

And then God could heal all children dying from genetic defects to prove it's loving. I'd be impressed. I imagine Christians would be too.

Why would that prove God is loving and what about all the other people who are suffering? Should God wave a magic wand and make all the suffering disappear? The caveat is that of we play our cards right that suffering will exist no more after we die and enter the spiritual world because all the suffering is the product of the material world, which is a storehouse of suffering.

Alas, all they have is faith, which is unreliable and prone to error.

But didn't you know that faith can move mountains?

 

[Trailblazer]

Beliefs are not worth much if one cannot support them.

But they are with a lot to those who already know that they are true because they did their own homework.

Baha'u'llah wrote: “For the faith of no man can be conditioned by any one except himself.” Gleanings, p. 143

 

[Trailblazer]

There are plenty of worthy goals. One does not need an invisible friend to have them.

No, they don't, because all humans have a mind and free will.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But they are with a lot to those who already know that they are true because they did their own homework.

Baha'u'llah wrote: “For the faith of no man can be conditioned by any one except himself.” Gleanings, p. 143

I doubt if they know. The probably only believe. But they are welcome to try to prove their case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, they don't, because all humans have a mind and free will.

???

That appears to be an enormous non sequitur.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Beliefs are not worth much if one cannot support them.

One can only validate truth for themselves which I have done. I have investigated truth with my own mind, my own eyes and found God. Others must travel their own journey in life and it is up to each to decide for himself whether God exists or not. For myself there is no doubt whatsoever.

My conclusions are based upon observations of God’s Representatives throughout history.

 

[loverofhumanity]

There are plenty of worthy goals. One does not need an invisible friend to have them.

Emotions are invisible too yet they play a vital role in our lives.

 

[Trailblazer]

I doubt if they know. The probably only believe. But they are welcome to try to prove their case.

You will never know what they know unless you prove it to yourself. Nobody can prove it to you because the knowing has to come from you. Otherwise you would only know what they know and it would not be your knowledge.

 

[Trailblazer]

???

That appears to be an enormous non sequitur.

The mind is for thinking and the will is what allows you to act on your thoughts and decisions.

 

[rational experiences]

After life was reattacked sacrificed. The sacrifice resurrected. We were taught Moses caused life's mutation as an old science event. Was taught God did it by man's sin. Science converting knowledge.

Science of God O earth.

Warned self don't give God a name again.

Yet everyone has. Religious order.

First and origin presence as equal are humans in an equal environment not named by science. Were just humans living had sex and formed familes and extended family.

Life on earth. Spiritual caring kind natural human beings. Equal life. Equal atmospheric condition.

No arguments as we weren't egotist theists claiming I know it all.

Then you have the man science theist.

Who stated the newly born spirit body ice every year kept earth life stable.

Said life returned was evolving healing in heavens as the ancient gas state cooled.

A science teaching.

About natural life.

Not any statement religion. Nor is it any statement for science. It was just known advice.

Family. Not organisation.

History in life......organisation never implies equal status family. Using a title does not allow mutual acceptance. As the organisation owns a status.

Now if every DNA family my family humanity sent their elders as relatives to organise human agreed living mutual conditions. Then we would be correct.

We respect elder life by experiences.
We respect elder life as they equally already toiled.
Elder life retires but is wise.

We never needed any identification about self presence as we owned self presence.

Science has to agree in human life your theism in any status science or religious science is life's problem.

We are human. We live as humans. No argument.

We live on a planet and we need to support its health. A human choice.

A human agreement has to be concluded that only medical science is reasoned for human health assistance. No other form of science about life is acceptable.

To be honest. Mutual. Caring supporting life. Human family. Life's health.

If life is unhealthy then science conditions are to blame.

If you say spiritual human awAre advice claims love and honour humanity then an aware human is making that claim.

If you say you are told by a higher purpose your human family life's continuance is the higher purpose.

To reason. As we all know our own future owns our own death.

Conscious self advice human.

 

[danieldemol]

I like hearing your opinion on this:
Do you think that just knowing that a certain Will/Energy is behind the existence of the time/space realm. we call universe.could give the believer any extra useful information more than an atheist has?

No, I don't think it gives the believer any advantage whatsoever.
In my opinion.

 

[ratiocinator]

All good whether directly or indirectly originated I believe, comes from God whether acknowledged or not.

So what about all evil and suffering?

 

[ratiocinator]

Emotions are invisible too yet they play a vital role in our lives.

They are 'invisible' because they are entirely in our minds....

 

[loverofhumanity]

So what about all evil and suffering?

Evil is relative and only in relation to something else, but is not an actual reality only imagined and perceived. For example a snake is not evil but in relation to man is deadly. Terms such as satan were just symbolic language for the ego or lower nature of man but man is not evil but can acquire behaviour which is evil such as terrorism.

Suffering. Let’s take physical pain. The nervous system uses pain to alert us that something needs to be attended to such as a stomach pain may be a result of food poisoning and requires urgent treatment. If there were no early warning pain we might just die without being able to prevent it. So a lot of physical pain is really an early warning system to get us to take some remedial action.

Suffering such as wars, oppression, poverty, murder and these sorts of things are due to our own choices but based on lack of harmony with the laws and teachings of God. A spiritual person will never injure, kill or harm another person in obedience to God’s laws and ensure all people have food and the basic necessities. When our hearts turn away from God, we become lower than the animals and stop caring for one other which we see universally today.

 

[loverofhumanity]

They are 'invisible' because they are entirely in our minds....

Where is the mind?

 

[McBell]

Obviously. Your obsession with attacking and insulting theology and theists is making you do that. You can and will never answer anything directly but always resort to the same fulfilment of that need.

Have a great day.

Wait,
It that an ad hominem?

 

[ratiocinator]

Evil is relative and only in relation to something else, but is not an actual reality only imagined and perceived. For example a snake is not evil but in relation to man is deadly. Terms such as satan were just symbolic language for the ego or lower nature of man but man is not evil but can acquire behaviour which is evil such as terrorism.

Suffering. Let’s take physical pain. The nervous system uses pain to alert us that something needs to be attended to such as a stomach pain may be a result of food poisoning and requires urgent treatment. If there were no early warning pain we might just die without being able to prevent it. So a lot of physical pain is really an early warning system to get us to take some remedial action.

Suffering such as wars, oppression, poverty, murder and these sorts of things are due to our own choices but based on lack of harmony with the laws and teachings of God. A spiritual person will never injure, kill or harm another person in obedience to God’s laws and ensure all people have food and the basic necessities. When our hearts turn away from God, we become lower than the animals and stop caring for one other which we see universally today.

Lots of word that simply attempt to sidestep the points. The fact is that there is an awful lot of suffering that we can't attend to or alleviate and that we have no way of avoiding. It's also blatant double standards to say "all good whether directly or indirectly originated...comes from God" and yet excuse said god for all evil whether directly or indirectly originated.

 

[ratiocinator]

Where is the mind?

It's what a brain does. However, why does it matter where it is?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Lots of word that simply attempt to sidestep the points. The fact is that there is an awful lot of suffering that we can't attend to or alleviate and that we have no way of avoiding. It's also blatant double standards to say "all good whether directly or indirectly originated...comes from God" and yet excuse said god for all evil whether directly or indirectly originated.

We are limited in that we all must die. That does not mean we do not continue to evolve afterwards into a higher life form. Those who see death as the end of course feel this way but there are signs within us which indicate we do live on. Consider the dream. We can travel without moving and speak and hear without using our voices or ears.

 

[loverofhumanity]

It's what a brain does. However, why does it matter where it is?

We were talking about God being a reality that exists and that there are many realities which are not physical that exist, and one of them is the human mind. If it is true that there does exist intellectual realities outside physical existence then the existence of God is also possible.


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