Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

No. Not at all. Read the link

Sure, no one suggests the biblical Noah's Flood was lifted entirely from the earlier fable, just the general idea seems remarkably similar.

Question is not of entire or in part. Question is whether it tells of a Mesopotamian flood at all. But ok.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Question is not of entire or in part. Question is whether it tells of a Mesopotamian flood at all. But ok.

It does, but why would it matter if it was not? In fact the flood that you proposed was not in Mesopotamia.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

It does, but why would it matter if it was not? In fact the flood that you proposed was not in Mesopotamia.

Samuel noah Kramer says dilmun was Indus valley. So Gilgamesh says flood took place in Indus valley. That it was borrowed is ok.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Samuel noah Kramer says dilmun was Indus valley. So Gilgamesh says flood took place in Indus valley. That it was borrowed is ok.

So what? I say that it was in central California. My claim is just as valid as his.

Actually my claim is as valid as yours The real one does not appear to have that belief. Do you have a valid source?

The Sumerians

The Sumerians, the pragmatic and gifted people who preceded the Semites in the land first known as Sumer and later as Babylonia, created what was probably the first high civilization in the history of man, spanning the fifth to the second millenniums B.C. This book is an unparalleled compendium...

press.uchicago.edu

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

So what? I say that it was in central California. My claim is just as valid as his.

Actually my claim is as valid as yours The real one does not appear to have that belief. Do you have a valid source?

https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/S/bo27481022.html[/UR

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[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

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This gives arguments for dilmun in Indus.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

This question relates to a post on here, but thinking about it, I'm wondering, can animals get trapped on top of permafrost by the millions or even just a few?

It seems like they could just walk on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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Pretty weak sauce. At best he showed that the two civilizations knew of each other. And that is rather old. Where is the.modern.support for this?

 

[shunyadragon]

Noah took 7 days, not 100 years to make the boat, please.

A boat that is impossible to build.

 

[shunyadragon]

Science denies itself sometimes by discovering something that overturns the previous version. But... that's science!

You basically have no knowledge of the science involved, and basically reject science. How is the above meaningful when you do not understand how science changes?

 

[shunyadragon]

As I said, there are descriptions of ground water and how it affects the water quantity. The rest is up to you because there's more, much more but... it's ok.

There are no descriptions of groundwater that would remotely explain Noah's flood. You have oft selectively and deliberately ignorantly dishonestly referred to a water world 3 to 4 billion years ago without understanding the nature of the earth then and now. Actually the theory of a water world doe not involve an Earth completely covered at the time. Contemporary estimated range from 80 to 90%. We currently have 71 percent water covering the earth. You do not accept the scientific geology of the earth anyway. Continental Drift and changes in the earth ensure it cannot happen again.

The Noah flood is sudden covering the Earth and went away suddenly which is physically impossible not geological over millions of years your intentional ignorance and not possible explanations with dishonest uses of references

 

[shunyadragon]

P.S. to @John53 , if someone doesn't want to answer, he may not. But really, the question is there -- about inconsistency and truth and following a belief or being a hypocrite and not making sense. And making snide remarks about beliefs and people he disagrees with.

You have a problem with . . . about inconsistency and truth and following a belief or being a hypocrite and not making sense . . . with no knowledge of science.

 

[shunyadragon]

As I have said, and I will say it again so you understand, the point I am making is not whether or not the Flood of Noah's time happened but whether the earth has enough water within and without to ever cover it. Seems from scientists the answer is yes. In fact, some scientists say that the earth was completely covered before continents were formed. hmm...

The answer from scientists is No as repeatedly cited. The water tied up in the interior of the earth has never been available for a sudden world flood described.

 

[shunyadragon]

Question is not of entire or in part. Question is whether it tells of a Mesopotamian flood at all. But ok.

The Mesopotamian flood of the Tigris Euphrates valley recorded by Sumerian writings is like the handed down myth of Noah's Flood, but there is not even local evidence in Palestine region that there was ever such a flood involving Hebrews.

 

[blü 2]

Here we shall discuss evidence of NOAH's FLOOD. There is ongoing scientific research that has brought to light many interesting finds, that contrary to some or many ---- does in fact point more and more to a monumental worldwide cataclysm that is labelled the FLOOD in GOD's Word: Global Evidences of the Genesis Flood

Thanks for the article. It's piffle of purest ray serene and worse, it's dishonest.

Marine fossils high on mountains are explained by geology's platelet theory of tectonics.

Massive fossil graveyards around the world don't result from worldwide floods but from local events. They don't mention that the 'graveyards' all have different dates.

Exquisitely preserved fossils are the exception, not the rule, but the article omits to mention how fossilization in fact occurs ─ perhaps they don't know.

Sediment spread across continents is nonsense. Noah's Flood would leave
─ a single geological flood layer
─ all over all continents and island and the sea floor,
─ with no variation of the date, which would be in the last 10,000 years
and of course there's nothing even remotely like that.

Evidence of the folds, Floods don't cause geological folds.

INSTEAD ─

IF there had been a Genesis Flood it would have to be in the last ten thousand years.
It would cause the single universal geological flood layer I mentioned.
We would find genetic bottlenecks in every species of land animal, and all the bottlenecks would date to the same date in the last 10,000 years.
The date of the flood layer would agree with the date of the bottlenecks.
We would find one billion cubic miles of water over and above the water presently on the earth.

And of course we find nothing even vaguely resembling any of that.

Shame on the authors of the article, shame on the website, shame on the website's sponsors.

 

[shunyadragon]

that's a good question.... but it would seem that the opposing view haven't done much better on this thread.

Which opposing view? Very basic high school science particularly physics refutes any possibility of a world flood.

 

[YoursTrue]

@River Sea

@Dan From Smithville
Yeah, good question about "a dove could not have found a living olive tree."

I wonder: How is it that people believe in global flooding? What do scientists think global flooding could manage? Is it realistic? Who are these people who wrote about the global flood? Where did these people get these stories that were passed down?

Have you heard of this local flood in Jalore? What about this passed-down story?

The name Vaivaswat Manu eventually changed to Noah; I wonder how?

This local flood in Jalore must have caused this story not to be forgotten. How?

I don't know about doves and olive trees in relation to the local flood; does anyone know if there are any other local floods connected to Noah's global flood compared to the local flood in Jalore?

If so, what names do they have for Noah? The Meena community located in Jalore has Vaivaswat Manu as Noah. If there are other local floods connected to Noah's global flood, are there any communities, and what are the names of their communities?

Oh, and here's a Google Earth image of Jalore if anyone wants to see the bowl shape and how the local flood affects people.

View attachment 82197

I have looked into this question about the olive tree, and it appears that branches could have floated and rooted in soil around the tops of the mountains as the waters were receding. It doesn't mean that a full-grown olive tree was there, but that a branch could have been implanted and rooted. It didn't have to be a completely fully grown tree.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have looked into this question about the olive tree, and it appears that branches could have floated and rooted in soil around the tops of the mountains as the waters were receding. It doesn't mean that a full-grown olive tree was there, but that a branch could have been implanted and rooted. It didn't have to be a completely fully grown tree.

Before the water even began to recede it was 150 days. This is from a creationist (also known as a crackpot) souce:

Biblical Overview of the Flood Timeline

Bodie Hodge, AiG-U.S., offers an overview of the timing of the events of the Flood according to Scripture.

answersingenesis.org

Here is a simple experiment. Soak an olive tree branch, or you could even float a whole seedling if you wish, in brackish water for 150 days. Then see if it is alive. That is the minimum time that the branch would have been in what is poisonous water for land plants.

 

[YoursTrue]

There are no descriptions of groundwater that would remotely explain Noah's flood. You have oft selectively and deliberately ignorantly dishonestly referred to a water world 3 to 4 billion years ago without understanding the nature of the earth then and now. Actually the theory of a water world doe not involve an Earth completely covered at the time. Contemporary estimated range from 80 to 90%. We currently have 71 percent water covering the earth. You do not accept the scientific geology of the earth anyway. Continental Drift and changes in the earth ensure it cannot happen again.

The Noah flood is sudden covering the Earth and went away suddenly which is physically impossible not geological over millions of years your intentional ignorance and not possible explanations with dishonest uses of references

To my knowledge, it didn't cover the earth suddenly (took a while and the devastating flood in Libya lends credence to awful destruction, but obviously the flood as described in Genesis took much longer than a few hours).

 

[YoursTrue]

Before the water even began to recede it was 150 days. This is from a creationist (also known as a crackpot) souce:

Biblical Overview of the Flood Timeline

Bodie Hodge, AiG-U.S., offers an overview of the timing of the events of the Flood according to Scripture.

answersingenesis.org

Here is a simple experiment. Soak an olive tree branch, or you could even float a whole seedling if you wish, in brackish water for 150 days. Then see if it is alive. That is the minimum time that the branch would have been in what is poisonous water for land plants.

I am pretty sure there were more than a few branches floating, lots of vegetation floating around, and the water began receding from the tops of mountains. You weren't there and neither was I, but I can consider that branches could have been implanted near the tops of mountains especially as the waters were receding. Meantime, do you continue insisting that lava doesn't carry sediment as it flows from a volcano?