Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[Little Dragon]

Aspects of it can be tested. For example the mathematical models predicted the mix of early elements. Do not ask me how, it is way beyond my understanding. But the observed concentrations of Hydrogen, Helium, Beryllium and lithium match the model. That is a form of testing.

Testing causation, of the big bang. I think was the request. Which is not possible. Yes you're right about elemental ratios. They're supportive evidence. Of the big bang theory.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Testing causation, of the big bang. I think was the request. Which is not possible. Yes you're right about elemental ratios. They're supportive evidence.

You may be right. Though she may have meant testing of the Big Bang itself. It is hard to tell with vague posts.

 

[YoursTrue]

Cannot test, is correct.

Certain things sound as a game to me that scientists play. I know certain ones have said that the universe was made from nothing but again, certain things don't sound realistic to me. Yes, I believe there is a Creator that is in charge. Does He allow genetic change to occur? Yes, I believe that.
I also believe He will take over as His time nears. As Jesus offered the prayer sometimes called the Our Father prayer -- "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, Let your KINGDOM COME -- let your will be done ON THE EARTH as it is in heaven."

 

[Little Dragon]

I don't go along with every theory.

Well. If you wish to test a scientific theory, that is an option, might not be that difficult. I can prove time dilation is a consequence of relativity, using two stopwatches and a turn table.

 

[Little Dragon]

Certain things sound as a game to me that scientists play. I know certain ones have said that the universe was made from nothing but again, certain things don't sound realistic to me. Yes, I believe there is a Creator that is in charge. Does He allow genetic change to occur? Yes, I believe that.
I also believe He will take over as His time nears. As Jesus offered the prayer sometimes called the Our Father prayer -- "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, Let your KINGDOM COME -- let your will be done ON THE EARTH as it is in heaven."

Not everything in this vast universe is relatable...or instinctive.

 

[Little Dragon]

Certain things sound as a game to me that scientists play.

It's a process. A fallible one. However the power of the scientific method is measured by it's success. The modern world, basically.

 

[YoursTrue]

Testing causation, of the big bang. I think was the request. Which is not possible. Yes you're right about elemental ratios. They're supportive evidence. Of the big bang theory.

Can you explain how the elemental ratios are supportive evidence of the "big bang" theory? Thank you.

 

[YoursTrue]

Not everything in this vast universe is relatable...or instinctive.

what do you mean, like what, that not everything in the universe is relatable? What's relatable?

 

[YoursTrue]

Not everything in this vast universe is relatable...or instinctive.

what do you mean, like what, that not everything in the universe is relatable? What's relatable?

It's a process. A fallible one. However the power of the scientific method is measured by it's success. The modern world, basically.

Perhaps you can be more explicit in your description, such as examples.

 

[Little Dragon]

Can you explain how the elemental ratios are supportive evidence of the "big bang" theory? Thank you.

" Without major changes to the Big Bang theory itself, BBN will result in mass abundances of about 75% of hydrogen-1, about 25% helium-4, about 0.01% of deuterium and helium-3, trace amounts (on the order of 10−10) of lithium, and negligible heavier elements. That the observed abundances in the universe are generally consistent with these abundance numbers is considered strong evidence for the Big Bang theory."

Big Bang nucleosynthesis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In other words, the mathematical theory, the big bang model, predicts ratios of elements, that we observe. With telescopes and spectrographic analysis.
Observation confirms theoretical prediction.

 

[Little Dragon]

what do you mean, like what, that not everything in the universe is relatable? What's relatable?

Quantum mechanics and wave particle duality and special relativity are all very alien and disconnected, from the human experience, at the human scale. For example. Of difficult concepts.

 

[YoursTrue]

" Without major changes to the Big Bang theory itself, BBN will result in mass abundances of about 75% of hydrogen-1, about 25% helium-4, about 0.01% of deuterium and helium-3, trace amounts (on the order of 10−10) of lithium, and negligible heavier elements. That the observed abundances in the universe are generally consistent with these abundance numbers is considered strong evidence for the Big Bang theory."
Wiki

In other words, the mathematical theory, the big bang model, predicts ratios of elements, that we observe. With telescopes and spectrographic analysis.
Observation confirms theoretical prediction.

ok, I don't understand that and not expecting you or someone here who goes along with that to clarify it. You say the mathematical theory of the big bang model that predicts ratios of elements? OK, have a good one. I mean it's like you play games amongst yourselves. I guess it's enjoyable for some of you. Observation confirms theoretical prediction you say. shrug. You think I should believe you that the big bang theory of the universe came from nothing??? ok, whatever unless you can prove it, make it clear, show the evidence, etc. beyond statements of such.

 

[YoursTrue]

Quantum mechanics and wave particle duality and special relativity are all very alien and disconnected, from the human experience, at the human scale. For example. Of difficult concepts.

etc. and etc. have a good one.

 

[Little Dragon]

what do you mean, like what, that not everything in the universe is relatable? What's relatable?

Perhaps you can be more explicit in your description, such as examples.

Nuclear fission, genetics, Mars exploration, Vaccines, Chemical Fertilizers, Pesticides, Combustion engine...etc..

 

[Little Dragon]

ok, I don't understand that and not expecting you or someone here who goes along with that to clarify it. You say the mathematical theory of the big bang model that predicts ratios of elements? OK, have a good one. I mean it's like you play games amongst yourselves. I guess it's enjoyable for some of you. Observation confirms theoretical prediction you say. shrug. You think I should believe you that the big bang theory of the universe came from nothing??? ok, whatever unless you can prove it, make it clear, show the evidence, etc. beyond statements of such.

Who thinks the universe came from nothing? Not me.

 

[Little Dragon]

etc. and etc. have a good one.

Same.

 

[Little Dragon]

ok, I don't understand that and not expecting you or someone here who goes along with that to clarify it.

I wouldn't dare...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who thinks the universe came from nothing? Not me.

I think that she may have misunderstood what is said. The universe itself has a measurable energy of zero within a margin of error. But that error allows to us what would be a rather large mass equivalence. It has been said that because of this zero energy measurement, in other words there is a balance between positive and negative energy, it is possible that they universe could have "come from nothing". That does not mean that it did and it seems that most astronomers than understand this do not believe that a zero total energy means that the universe came from nothing.

And out of curiosity how do you prove time dilation with just a stop watch and a turn table? I would think that the achievable time dilation would be far smaller than the margin of error in measurement of those devices.

 

[Little Dragon]

And out of curiosity how do you prove time dilation with just a stop watch and a turn table? I would think that the achievable time dilation would be far smaller than the margin of error in measurement of those devices.

The longer you leave the experiment running (and one stopwatch rotating) the more the margin of error will diminish, a few months, would be good enough, for a standard turn table. You'd need decent stopwatches!

 

[Little Dragon]

It has been said that because of this zero energy measurement, in other words there is a balance between positive and negative energy, it is possible that they universe could have "come from nothing". That does not mean that it did and it seems that most astronomers than understand this do not believe that a zero total energy means that the universe came from nothing.

The net energy cost of the universe could be zero. Hypothetically. This as you say doesn't mean the universe has no causation or that nothing preceded the universe.