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Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

It Aint Necessarily So

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Premium Member
the rock layers, the carved out canyon, and the inaccurate isochron demolish evolution forever. no one can defend the indefensible theory of evolution and billions of years.
I see that you are still fulfilling my prophecies about your posting behavior. So let it be written, so let it be done. You worship whatever can do that, don't you? You keep referring to similar biblical prophecy about unbelievers and scoffers as if it were evidence that its words are of divine provenance. I think my track record is better.

And the theory is doing fine, but the churches are emptying. You might be misidentifying which isms are in crisis.

I have already proved that the God created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago without evolution.
Science has shown that that is incorrect, and it has the only say in scientific matters. Creationists and their objections have no standing outside of their Sunday schools and web sites. But don't feel picked on. Neither do I. The experts don't care any more that I happen to agree with them than they do that the creationists don't.
Before the flood, the mountains were much lower.
It's amazing that a creationist would know that. How does that comport with your young earth creationism? How did they get higher?
Why is there shells at the top of Mount Everest and on top of most mountains?
The answer is contained in your previous comment - they were once sea floors uplifted by colliding tectonic plates.

This finding is likely why the flood story exists. Think about it. How do you account for those shells and other marine fossils if you are an ancient who doesn't understand where the rain comes from and who believes that his world is ruled by a good, loving, tri-omni god? Go ahead. Explain marine fossils on the highest mountaintops if you're not as sophisticated as you are and thus unaware that mountains rise. You're going to end up with a global flood, and it's going to be a just punishment for sin as usual.

And look at how defamatory to the deity's intellect and morals the story they had to come up with was. A global flood is an extremely cruel and inefficient way for a tri-omni god to correct the problem of a sinful race of humans - it's own engineering error. And pretty bone-headed to use the same breeding stock to replenish the earth. But what else can you come up with under the circumstances?
you have no answers to the origin of anything, what is left?
No, it's YOU who has no answers.
What was the first living creature and what features did it have? Where and when did it come into being?
You don't know, do you? Yet you use the idea that there are incompletely answered questions as an implied ignorantium argument. Hello! It seems that only you have difficulty seeing that you are arguing against your own beliefs with that argument as well.
How do you know how many years ago it happened and how it happened?
There are scientific methods that you can learn about if you'll make the effort. This is not how. You'd need to get yourself a foundation in the sciences at a university if you aren't an autodidact.
I don't go along with every theory.
Of course not. You're a creationist. You go along with the ones you've never heard of and know nothing about but disagree with the ones that apologetics sources say contradict Christian doctrine without understanding them, either. If you think that's wrong or unfair, and you're correct, you should be able to falsify it. Of course, if I am correct, you cannot falsify the claim. Good luck.
Can you explain how the elemental ratios are supportive evidence of the "big bang" theory?
Yes, I can, and if you'd like to understand, read some science. Read Weinberg's The First Three Minutes:

"After giving the reader a basis of understanding of astrophysics and particle physics, in chapter 5, Weinberg lays out the makeup of the Universe after its origin in a series of frozen frames. Weinberg shows how the Big Bang can account for the relative abundance of Hydrogen and Helium in the universe." The First Three Minutes - Wikipedia
You say the mathematical theory of the big bang model that predicts ratios of elements? OK, have a good one. I mean it's like you play games amongst yourselves.
Change your mind about learning? No problem. The known answers aren't there for those who don't seek them diligently. If you change your mind again, get yourself a copy of the aforementioned book.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
I see that you are still fulfilling my prophecies about your posting behavior. So let it be written, so let it be done. You worship whatever can do that, don't you? You keep referring to similar biblical prophecy about unbelievers and scoffers as if it were evidence that its words are of divine provenance. I think my track record is better.

And the theory is doing fine, but the churches are emptying. You might be misidentifying which isms are in crisis.


Science has shown that that is incorrect, and it has the only say in scientific matters. Creationists and their objections have no standing outside of their Sunday schools and web sites. But don't feel picked on. Neither do I. The experts don't care any more that I happen to agree with them than they do that the creationists don't.

It's amazing that a creationist would know that. How does that comport with your young earth creationism? How did they get higher?

The answer is contained in your previous comment - they were once sea floors uplifted by colliding tectonic plates.

This finding is likely why the flood story exists. Think about it. How do you account for those shells and other marine fossils if you are an ancient who doesn't understand where the rain comes from and who believes that his world is ruled by a good, loving, tri-omni god? Go ahead. Explain marine fossils on the highest mountaintops if you're not as sophisticated as you are and thus unaware that mountains rise. You're going to end up with a global flood, and it's going to be a just punishment for sin as usual.

And look at how defamatory to the deity's intellect and morals the story they had to come up with was. A global flood is an extremely cruel and inefficient way for a tri-omni god to correct the problem of a sinful race of humans - it's own engineering error. And pretty bone-headed to use the same breeding stock to replenish the earth. But what else can you come up with under the circumstances?

No, it's YOU who has no answers.

You don't know, do you? Yet you use the idea that there are incompletely answered questions as an implied ignorantium argument. Hello! It seems that only you have difficulty seeing that you are arguing against your own beliefs with that argument as well.

There are scientific methods that you can learn about if you'll make the effort. This is not how. You'd need to get yourself a foundation in the sciences at a university if you aren't an autodidact.

Of course not. You're a creationist. You go along with the ones you've never heard of and know nothing about but disagree with the ones that apologetics sources say contradict Christian doctrine without understanding them, either. If you think that's wrong or unfair, and you're correct, you should be able to falsify it. Of course, if I am correct, you cannot falsify the claim. Good luck.

Yes, I can, and if you'd like to understand, read some science. Read Weinberg's The First Three Minutes:

"After giving the reader a basis of understanding of astrophysics and particle physics, in chapter 5, Weinberg lays out the makeup of the Universe after its origin in a series of frozen frames. Weinberg shows how the Big Bang can account for the relative abundance of Hydrogen and Helium in the universe." The First Three Minutes - Wikipedia

Change your mind about learning? No problem. The known answers aren't there for those who don't seek them diligently. If you change your mind again, get yourself a copy of the aforementioned book.
Actually the Big Bang is a known failure and is refuted by many scientific facts.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
That is not true. Why do you lie so much, on this forum? I never seen someone post so much falsehood and misrepresentation. It's unusual. Does it make you feel good in some way?
Please show any falsehood.

How do you explain the Cambrian explosion? In the Cambrian, all the basic body types are present but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are advanced creatures, with eyes, but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are advanced creatures like the trilobite but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are a bunch of other advanced features but nothing before it. These all prove evolution and billions of years false.

Why are there living fossils?

How does one explain polystrate trees?

How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?

Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?

How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?

How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?

There is a great deception in some of the ages that are quoted by evolutionists. Why the deception?

There are inconsistencies in the radioactive dating results of many things. So isochron dating has been used. But even then, there are many large discrepancies. Why?

The inconsistencies in the dating of things and in all “clocks” used to set the age of things can be simply explained if some miraculous events occurred. These would be 6-day creation, the fall of man and the curse on creation and the worldwide flood about 4500 years ago.

There is a lack of a 50-50 racemization of amino acids in fossils. Why?

There are discontinuous fossil sequences in the fossil record. Why?

Oil, coal, and opals can be formed rapidly under certain conditions. Why the deception?

The evidence is that the coal beads and fossilized wood were formed rapidly. Why?

There are missing layers representing millions of years. Why?

Why are there ephemeral markings at the boundaries of layers? That shows rapid deposit.

If intelligent man was around for 100,000 years or so, why did he not figure out how to drop a seed in the ground and farm?

History is too short. Why?

The Great Barrier reef is only 4200 years old; the oldest tree is only 4300 years old. Why?

The age of the Sahara Desert is only 4000 years old. Why?
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
As a Christian, educated, and trained in biology, even I have trouble wrapping my head around that. I can only image how lost the creationists must feel, especially those from faith groups with apparent aversions to education and mandates to deny science.
You're absolutely right. A mountain to climb, with Yetis in the way...
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
Please show any falsehood.

How do you explain the Cambrian explosion? In the Cambrian, all the basic body types are present but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are advanced creatures, with eyes, but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are advanced creatures like the trilobite but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are a bunch of other advanced features but nothing before it. These all prove evolution and billions of years false.

Why are there living fossils?

How does one explain polystrate trees?

How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?

Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?

How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?

How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?

There is a great deception in some of the ages that are quoted by evolutionists. Why the deception?

There are inconsistencies in the radioactive dating results of many things. So isochron dating has been used. But even then, there are many large discrepancies. Why?

The inconsistencies in the dating of things and in all “clocks” used to set the age of things can be simply explained if some miraculous events occurred. These would be 6-day creation, the fall of man and the curse on creation and the worldwide flood about 4500 years ago.

There is a lack of a 50-50 racemization of amino acids in fossils. Why?

There are discontinuous fossil sequences in the fossil record. Why?

Oil, coal, and opals can be formed rapidly under certain conditions. Why the deception?

The evidence is that the coal beads and fossilized wood were formed rapidly. Why?

There are missing layers representing millions of years. Why?

Why are there ephemeral markings at the boundaries of layers? That shows rapid deposit.

If intelligent man was around for 100,000 years or so, why did he not figure out how to drop a seed in the ground and farm?

History is too short. Why?

The Great Barrier reef is only 4200 years old; the oldest tree is only 4300 years old. Why?

The age of the Sahara Desert is only 4000 years old. Why?
You are again being dishonest, rather than present an argument with evidence, you post this inane list of incredulity and ignorance.
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
How do you explain the Cambrian explosion? In the Cambrian, all the basic body types are present but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are advanced creatures, with eyes, but nothing before it. In the Cambrian, there are advanced creatures like the trilobite but nothing before it.
Someone has already tried to explain I am sure, that the proliferation of hard bodied forms, occurred when the Cambrian began, hence why there are plenty of fossils from this period and after.

Creationists like you do not understand, that before the Cambrian era, many multicellular organisms existed, except they were mostly soft bodied, like worms. However they do not fossilize readily, and therefore, comparatively, left fewer traces in the record. However we do have lots of fossils from the pre Cambrian now.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Someone has already tried to explain I am sure, that the proliferation of hard bodied forms, occurred when the Cambrian began, hence why there are plenty of fossils from this period and after.

Creationists like you do not understand, that before the Cambrian era, many multicellular organisms existed, except they were mostly soft bodied, like worms. However they do not fossilize readily, and therefore, comparatively, left fewer traces in the record. However we do have lots of fossils from the pre Cambrian now.
But it is the explosion of so many fully developed organ and functions in such a short time with NOTHING before that is the falsification of evolution and billions of years.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
More lies, more nonsense. Still no evidence.
Stop all the false accusations. Debate 101 techniques by you prove evolution is false.

If the first living thing was just proteins, how did it ever get evolve to use RNA? It is irreducibly complex. You need all the parts to be working for it not to be destruction.

If it was RNA based, how did it to ever evolve to use DNA? It is irreducibly complex. You need all the parts to be working for it not to be destruction.
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
But it is the explosion of so many fully developed organ and functions in such a short time with NOTHING before that is the falsification of evolution and billions of years.
There was no explosion of forms, there was merely a transition from mostly soft bodied organisms like worms and others, to lifeforms with hard bodied forms, like bivalves and molluscs and also soft bodied forms.

We have fossils from before the Cambrian era, which are indeed complex multicellular animals. They existed. Unlike your evidence for anything you post.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So you have no answer whatsoever.
Maybe they should retract evolution and billions of years until they at least have a real rational theory.
Might spur them on to accomplish something
You couldn't answer the questions of others about your god.

Even by your standards it is an irrational belief.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There was no explosion of forms, there was merely a transition from mostly soft bodied organisms like worms and others, to lifeforms with hard bodied forms, like bivalves and molluscs and also soft bodied forms.

We have fossils from before the Cambrian era, which are indeed complex multicellular animals. They existed. Unlike your evidence for anything you post.
You know this, how?
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
You know this, how?
We theorize this is so, because the fossils we have that predate the Cambrian, are mostly of soft bodied organisms, like algae, worms and slimes etc
The fossils that came after the Cambrian era, include more shelled and hard bodied forms, new forms. Like trilobites and molluscs and others.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
We theorize this is so, because the fossils we have that predate the Cambrian, are mostly of soft bodied organisms, like algae, worms and slimes etc
The fossils that came after the Cambrian era, include more shelled and hard bodied forms, new forms. Like trilobites and molluscs and others.
Anything showing the evolution of substances beyond theory?
 
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