Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[metis]

That's just a false bible, since the original Hebrew text

We have no such manuscripts.

 

[Monty]

You must understand Gen. 7:20 in the context of what the previous verse says:

Gen. 7:19 The waters overwhelmed the earth so greatly that all the tall mountains under the whole heavens were covered.

If what you have is the desire to negate, fight and contradict out of pure vice... No one can help you.

Have a great weekend.

IOW the bible says the highest hills in the flooded area were less than 15 cubits higher than the normal river height when not in flood.
And unless you can explain why kangaroos and sloths are not native to the middle east then your hypothesis has zero credibility.

 

[Monty]

We have no such manuscripts.

Young's literal translation of the Hebrew text, however, says that flood was only 15 cubits high and therefore just a local flood, and why kangaroos and sloths are not native to the middle east.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Young's literal translation of the Hebrew text, however, says that flood was only 15 cubits high and therefore just a local flood, and why kangaroos and sloths are not native to the middle east.

Young screwed up there, literally.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. - Genesis 7:19-20

 

[Monty]

Young screwed up there, literally.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. - Genesis 7:19-20

Doesn't change the fact that the bible clearly says that the flood was only 15 cubits high and the highest hills were therefore less than 15 cubits higher than the normal river level when not in flood, which is why kangaroos and sloths are not native to the middle east.

Woosh Woosh!!!

 

[Eli G]

Young screwed up there, literally.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. - Genesis 7:19-20

Exactly: when it says: all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered and after that "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered"

... it obviously means that among ALL THE HIGH HILLS is included THE HIGHEST ONE of all of them, so the 15 cubits were from the highest mountain upward ... not 9 meters from the river level or any other hill besides the tallest one .

The account is talking about the WHOLE EARTH, UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN being covered. (see post#1410).

 

[Monty]

Exactly: when it says: all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered and after that "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered"

... it obviously means that among ALL THE HIGH HILLS is included THE HIGHEST ONE of all of them, so the 15 cubits were from the highest mountain upward ... not 9 meters from the river level or any other hill besides the tallest one .

The account is talking about the WHOLE EARTH, UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN being covered. (see post#1410).

IOW your flood story is just a pure fantasy since kangaroos and sloths are not native to the middle east.

Woosh Woosh.

 

[Eli G]

The Bible says what it says ... You cann't change it.

Live with that.

 

[Monty]

The Bible says what it says ... You cann't change it.

Live with that.

Which is that the flood height was only 15 cubits, and that the highest hills in the flooded area were therefore less than 15 cubits higher than the river level before the flood, and does not say that the flood was global and covered Mt Everest by 15 cubits.

The Hebrew bible says what it says ... you can't change it.

Woosh Woosh

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible says what it says ... You cann't change it.

Live with that.

And of course it is all myth, so who cares which version is right?

Live with that.

 

[Monty]

You must understand Gen. 7:20 in the context of what the previous verse says:

Gen. 7:19 The waters overwhelmed the earth so greatly that all the tall mountains under the whole heavens were covered.

If what you have is the desire to negate, fight and contradict out of pure vice... No one can help you.

Have a great weekend.

IOW the Hebrew bible says that the flood height was only 15 cubits high and that the highest hills in the flooded area were therefore less than 15 cubits above the unflooded river level.

And the bible describes the earth as a flat immovable disc, and describes the heavens as a dome shaped tent attached to the ring of the horizon (Isaiah 40:22) - just like a snow dome.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I provided info on how organisms can sometimes be frozen for sometimes centuries, and additional snow and ice precipitated after that, so there's really no great mystery.

Yes, there is great mystery surrounding it. The Permafrost is not just snow & ice; if that were so, there would be no vegetation growing on top of it. There is soil mixed in with it. Snow & ice, as it normally falls, doesn’t result in soil, gravel & sand being mixed in with the precipitation … unless there was extreme turbulence to produce such displacement and dispersal, to the extent we observe.

The importance of the Flood narratives is not whether it actually happened but what it teaches theologically. If one is fixated on the former, they might totally miss the important teachings of the latter that can be important for today.

Just what important teachings, exactly , does an allegorical understanding of the Genesis Flood, provide?

I can show you how Jesus and the Apostle Peter used the event, to teach….

Matthew 24:37-39
&
2 Peter 2:5,6; 2 Peter 3:3-7

Jesus compared “the days of Noah” with his “coming”…. If you take the Flood allegorically — do you see a problem there? You might as well say, “If the Flood didn’t really happen, then Jesus’ coming won’t really happen.”

As for Peter, he said the Deluge & Sodom were “setting a pattern” for the wicked. If it didn’t happen, there’s really no pattern; the wicked don’t really need to worry then. Nothing’s going to happen, right?

Allegorical doesn’t fit. It makes Jesus’ words, and Peter’s, a toothless lion.

Just curious: Do you believe there are wicked spirit forces, as the Bible describes them?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, there is great mystery surrounding it. The Permafrost is not just snow & ice; if that were so, there would be no vegetation growing on top of it. There is soil mixed in with it. Snow & ice, as it normally falls, doesn’t result in soil, gravel & sand being mixed in with the precipitation … unless there was extreme turbulence to produce such displacement and dispersal, to the extent we observe.

Really? Why do you think that is what happened? Have you even ever seen permafrost? I can think of how it would have happened without "extreme turbulence".

Just what important teachings, exactly , does an allegorical understanding of the Genesis Flood, provide?

I can show you how Jesus and the Apostle Peter used the event, to teach….

Matthew 24:37-39
&
2 Peter 2:5,6; 2 Peter 3:3-7

Jesus compared “the days of Noah” with his “coming”…. If you take the Flood allegorically — do you see a problem there? You might as well say, “If the Flood didn’t really happen, then Jesus’ coming won’t really happen.”

No, that makes no sense at all. He could merely be referring but to a general time of troubles a long long time ago. Is a man lying when he refers to a woman as being "as old as the hills".

I do not think that you understand the teaching methods that Jesus used. For example the parables were not "based upon a true story".

As for Peter, he said the Deluge & Sodom were “setting a pattern” for the wicked. If it didn’t happen, there’s really no pattern; the wicked don’t really need to worry then. Nothing’s going to happen, right?

Allegorical doesn’t fit. It makes Jesus’ words, and Peter’s, a toothless lion.

Just curious: Do you believe there are wicked spirit forces, as the Bible describes them?

Peter was just a man so not knowing what and what is not an allegory is not that much of a problem for him. In other words if he believed that that flood was real doesn't help you at all.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Really? Why do you think that is what happened? Have you even ever seen permafrost? I can think of how it would have happened without "extreme turbulence".


No, that makes no sense at all. He could merely be referring but to a general time of troubles a long long time ago. Is a man lying when he refers to a woman as being "as old as the hills".

I do not think that you understand the teaching methods that Jesus used. For example the parables were not "based upon a true story".

Peter was just a man so not knowing what and what is not an allegory is not that much of a problem for him. In other words if he believed that that flood was real doesn't help you at all.

Peter wrote by inspiration by God and the prediction from his writings have come true with exact timing and detail.
You are the fulfillment of them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Peter wrote by inspiration by God and the prediction from his writings have come true with exact timing and detail.
You are the fulfillment of them.

What is your evidence for that? Oh wait, you don't understand the concept of evidence. Never mind.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

What is your evidence for that? Oh wait, you don't understand the concept of evidence. Never mind.

Simple, the predictions in his writings have come true with exact timing and details,
And as I said you are a fulfillment of those prophecies.
This is just fact.
Have you considered the vast evidence for the worldwide flood?

 

[blü 2]

That's just a false bible, since the original Hebrew text and the KJV etc say that the flood was only 15 cubits high, and DO NOT say that mountains were covered by 15 cubits after the ocean level magically rose at the rate of nine metres per hour for 40 days.

So you're saying that within the last (say) 10,000 years, there was a time where the peaks of the highest mountains in the world were LESS THAN 15 CUBITS ─ if we take the upper value of a cubit as 23", that's still not even 30 feet ─ above sea level?

Ahm, I don't think so. No, I'm definitely not of that view.

But it's all myth and legend, and so ─ have a nice day.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

So you're saying that within the last (say) 10,000 years, there was a time where the peaks of the highest mountains in the world were LESS THAN 15 CUBITS ─ if we take the upper value of a cubit as 23", that's still not even 30 feet ─ above sea level?

Ahm, I don't think so. No, I'm definitely not of that view.

But it's all myth and legend, and so ─ have a nice day.

The worldwide flood covered all peaks at its height but they were taller than that .
They were not however as tall as they are today.
To drain the waters of the flood, God raised the mountains up and lowered the depths of the ocean.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Simple, the predictions in his writings have come true with exact timing and details,
And as I said you are a fulfillment of those prophecies.
This is just fact.
Have you considered the vast evidence for the worldwide flood?

You know, if that was the case, and our conditions were switched around. If I was the believer in myths and you were the realist. I would have had no problem quoting the verses at you. Your inability to do so indicates that you were just making up stories again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The worldwide flood covered all peaks at its height but they were taller than that .
They were not however as tall as they are today.
To drain the waters of the flood, God raised the mountains up and lowered the depths of the ocean.

Really? Do you have any evidence for this claim?