Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[Monty]

So you're saying that within the last (say) 10,000 years, there was a time where the peaks of the highest mountains in the world were LESS THAN 15 CUBITS ─ if we take the upper value of a cubit as 23", that's still not even 30 feet ─ above sea level?

Ahm, I don't think so. No, I'm definitely not of that view.

But it's all myth and legend, and so ─ have a nice day.

Nonsense. Where have I claimed that? 4,000 years ago Mt Everest was roughly as high as it is today and nowhere near the river flood described in the bible.

The Hebrew bible obviously just describes a riverine flood which was 15 cubits high and drained away like every other similar flood before and since. And it says that the highest hills in the flooded area were therefore less than 15 cubits above the normal river height when not in flood and why they were covered with the flood water.
The height above sea level is totally irrelevant since the flood was obviously just a river flood and had nothing whatsoever to do with sea level.

 

[Monty]

The worldwide flood covered all peaks at its height but they were taller than that .
They were not however as tall as they are today.
To drain the waters of the flood, God raised the mountains up and lowered the depths of the ocean.

Nonsense. Where does the Hebrew text say anything at all about a worldwide flood. It obviously just describes a river flood which was about six miles wide (ie covered the land to the horizon) which disappeared by six months later.

 

[blü 2]

The worldwide flood covered all peaks at its height but they were taller than that .
They were not however as tall as they are today.
To drain the waters of the flood, God raised the mountains up and lowered the depths of the ocean.

Really? How. exactly?

You'll be able to point to geological evidence of that too, of course. Please lay it out for us.

But do that after you've answered the How question first.

 

[blü 2]

Nonsense. Where have I claimed that? 4,000 years ago Mt Everest was roughly as high as it is today and nowhere near the river flood.

The Hebrew bible obviously just describes a riverine flood which was 15 cubits high and drained away like every other similar flood before and since. And it says that the highest hills in the flooded area were therefore less than 15 cubits above the normal river height when not in flood and why they were covered with the flood water.
The height above sea level is totally irrelevant since the flood was obviously just a river flood and had nothing whatsoever to do with sea level.

Then what on earth are you fussing about?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Really? How. exactly?

You'll be able to point to geological evidence of that too, of course. Please lay it out for us.

But do that after you've answered the How question first.

Almost all fossil bearing rock layers of the Earth are from the flood. Simple analysis shows that.

How does one explain polystrate trees?

How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?

Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?
How do you explain ancient microbes revived?

How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?

How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?
If intelligent man was around for 100,000 years or more, Cro-Magnon for about 40,000 years, why did he not figure out how to drop a seed in the ground and farm? How did they go from nothing to farming? Why does this phenomenon occur in diverse places around the world at the same?

Where are all the structures that the built? The pyramids are about 4200 years old. How did they go from nothing to that? And this phenomenon occurs in many parts of the world about the same time?

Where are all the writings from before 6000 years ago? Yet they go from nothing to writings. Why does this phenomenon occur in a number of places around the world at the same?

Why are there no calendars over 6000 years?

History is too short. Why?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Almost all fossil bearing rock layers of the Earth are from the flood. Simple analysis shows that.

No, it really does not. If it did then why didn't you use "simple analysis" to support your claims?

How does one explain polystrate trees?

There are no such things. If you analyze the word it means "more than one stratum". There are vertical fossils, but they are always found in one stratum. So the easy answer is that polystrate trees do not exist. Those "trees" and they are not even trees, nor are they the ancestor of trees, were in ancient bogs, which can preserve material for a long long time, and can also be in areas of high deposition rates. There are modern trees that can stand for hundreds of years. Don't trust me look up "ghost forests". If that is combined with the right environment they too could become fossils in the future.

How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?

Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?
How do you explain ancient microbes revived?

How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?

How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?
If intelligent man was around for 100,000 years or more, Cro-Magnon for about 40,000 years, why did he not figure out how to drop a seed in the ground and farm? How did they go from nothing to farming? Why does this phenomenon occur in diverse places around the world at the same?

Where are all the structures that the built? The pyramids are about 4200 years old. How did they go from nothing to that? And this phenomenon occurs in many parts of the world about the same time?

Where are all the writings from before 6000 years ago? Yet they go from nothing to writings. Why does this phenomenon occur in a number of places around the world at the same?

Why are there no calendars over 6000 years?

History is too short. Why?

Sorry, you only get one answer at the most.

By the way, why do you keep using a "debate strategy" that refutes your God?

 

[blü 2]

Almost all fossil bearing rock layers of the Earth are from the flood. Simple analysis shows that.

How does one explain polystrate trees?

How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?

Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?
How do you explain ancient microbes revived?

How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?

How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?
If intelligent man was around for 100,000 years or more, Cro-Magnon for about 40,000 years, why did he not figure out how to drop a seed in the ground and farm? How did they go from nothing to farming? Why does this phenomenon occur in diverse places around the world at the same?

Where are all the structures that the built? The pyramids are about 4200 years old. How did they go from nothing to that? And this phenomenon occurs in many parts of the world about the same time?

Where are all the writings from before 6000 years ago? Yet they go from nothing to writings. Why does this phenomenon occur in a number of places around the world at the same?

Why are there no calendars over 6000 years?

History is too short. Why?

No, I asked first, and I've answered all your questions up till now, so it's well and truly your turn to respond,

So how do you say God created the universe? Describe the steps in the process.

I trust you can give straightforward answers to me here, with no evasions, or ─ perish the thought! ─ falsehoods.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

No, I asked first, and I've answered all your questions up till now, so it's well and truly your turn to respond,

So how do you say God created the universe? Describe the steps in the process.

I trust you can give straightforward answers to me here, with no evasions, or ─ perish the thought! ─ falsehoods.

Read Genesis 1.

And of course you have not come up with any real rational answers to my questions.

How does one explain polystrate trees?

How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?

Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?
How do you explain ancient microbes revived?

How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?

How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?

 

[metis]

Young's literal translation of the Hebrew text, however, says that flood was only 15 cubits high and therefore just a local flood, and why kangaroos and sloths are not native to the middle east.

It cannot logically be a literal translation from the original texts. Whether the flood was 15 cubits high is irrelevant to me.

 

[metis]

Yes, there is great mystery surrounding it. The Permafrost is not just snow & ice; if that were so, there would be no vegetation growing on top of it. There is soil mixed in with it. Snow & ice, as it normally falls, doesn’t result in soil, gravel & sand being mixed in with the precipitation … unless there was extreme turbulence to produce such displacement and dispersal, to the extent we observe.

This may help explain it plus more details can be googled: arctic lake theory - Bing

Just what important teachings, exactly , does an allegorical understanding of the Genesis Flood, provide?

Sorry but I don't have that time today. If you want, repost it and I'll deal with it on Monday. To help you put it into perspective, read the narratives and think how a person might think if they never read it before and never had any information about God.

Have a good weekend.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Read Genesis 1.

And of course you have not come up with any real rational answers to my questions.

How does one explain polystrate trees?

How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?

How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?

Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?
How do you explain ancient microbes revived?

How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?

How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?

I dealt with your polystrate tree nonsense.. Did you forget that already?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

I dealt with your polystrate tree nonsense.. Did you forget that already?

Please post it here again because your reasoning is flawed.

 

[Monty]

Then what on earth are you fussing about?

I'm simply presenting evidence that the Hebrew bible obviously only describes a river flood which was only 15 cubits high, and that the story about a global flood in the false bibles is just pure fantasy with zero credibility since the story says that Noah's pet bird plucked a leaf off an olive tree which was growing outside the flooded area and therefore totally unaffected by the flood which drowned most of Noah's family and their goats and sheep (Gen 8:11).

 

[Monty]

It cannot logically be a literal translation from the original texts. Whether the flood was 15 cubits high is irrelevant to me.

IOW the story about a global flood is pure fantasy with zero credibility, and why it is totally irrelevant to you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please post it here again because your reasoning is flawed.

LOL! Are you serious? You need to learn how to be more polite.

You asked the question. I responded. You ignored it at best. You owe me an apology at the very least. Apologize and ask nicely and I will.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

LOL! Are you serious? You need to learn how to be more polite.

You asked the question. I responded. You ignored it at best. You owe me an apology at the very least. Apologize and ask nicely and I will.

So you have no real rational answer.

Where did the universe come from? Surely you can give a real answer to that. And depending on your answer I will asl more questions.

 

[Monty]

Please post it here again because your reasoning is flawed.

Was the olive tree which Noah's pet bird plucked a fresh leaf from a polystrate tree, or was it simply growing outside the flooded area (Gen 8:11), given that an olive tree cannot survive being totally submerged for over six months?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you have no real rational answer.

Where did the universe come from? Surely you can give a real answer to that. And depending on your answer I will asl more questions.

Now you are bearing false witness against your neighbor. You have no clue as to whether I have a rational answer or not. You admitted to not reading the answers to your questions. That shows that at best you were being a hypocrite every time that you posted that list. You are not interested in learning the truth, you are only interested in preserving your flawed beliefs at any cost.

And you need to quit moving the goalposts. It does not matter how the universe began. Let's assume that God can't lie. You said as much more than once. If there is a God, and if that God cannot lie, then it does not matter how he started the universe. Your argument was refuted no matter if a God started the universe or if it was totally natural.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Now you are bearing false witness against your neighbor. You have no clue as to whether I have a rational answer or not. You admitted to not reading the answers to your questions. That shows that at best you were being a hypocrite every time that you posted that list. You are not interested in learning the truth, you are only interested in preserving your flawed beliefs at any cost.

And you need to quit moving the goalposts. It does not matter how the universe began. Let's assume that God can't lie. You said as much more than once. If there is a God, and if that God cannot lie, then it does not matter how he started the universe. Your argument was refuted no matter if a God started the universe or if it was totally natural.

Please stop with these false accusations. BTW, as part of the circular reasoning that all evolutionists and billions of years believers have, some choose death 101 techniques to keep the delusion going.

Where did the universe come from?

You are afraid to answer such a simple question because you know that you have no real answer,.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please stop with these false accusations.

What "false accusations"? If you cannot name any when people ask you for them you are only admitting that there were none. So far you have only admitted that I have not made false accusations by running away.

BTW, as part of the circular reasoning that all evolutionists and billions of years believers have, some choose death 101 techniques to keep the delusion going.

What is that even supposed to mean?

Where did the universe come from?

You are afraid to answer such a simple question because you know that you have no real answer,.

I am not afraid to answer that question, but you cannot even justify asking it. If you want to ask that question you have to show that it somehow matters. So far you have not been able to do that.

To demand answers you need to be honest. Running away from debates that you have lost and then claiming that you won is not honest. Refusing to support your claims when people demand support is not honest. Moving the goalposts is not honest. I could go on and on.

Change your debating style and then you can demand answers.