Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[John53]

Nothing circular to see here, move along folks.

 

[Monty]

Creation proves God the Creator exists.

IOW you have no evidence that gods exist, or that the biblical flood covered Mt Everest by 15 cubits..

 

[SavedByTheLord]

IOW you have no evidence that gods exist, or that the biblical flood covered Mt Everest by 15 cubits..

Of course I do .

There are sea shells on the top of Mount Everest.

 

[Monty]

Of course I do .

But have you ever seen or felt or smelt one like Jacob did when he was squirrel gripped by a god during a wrestling match together (Gen 32:22-31).

There are sea shells on the top of Mount Everest.

And the bible clearly says that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family was only 15 cubits high, which is why the olive tree was unaffected by the flood since it was growing outside the flooded area.

And the sea shells on Mt Everest were left by the climbers, along with all the other rubbish they leave behind.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Creation proves God the Creator exists.

Now that is a circular argument.

You are making the mistake of assuming that our universe was created.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course I do .

There are sea shells on the top of Mount Everest.

Yep, and they refute the flood myth. Too bad that you are scientifically illiterate. Once again I offer to go over the basics of science with you.

 

[blü 2]

Not the King James Bible.

18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: - Genesis 7:18-21

Yes, this translation accords with all the standard translations. Taken literally, it means that the tip of Mt Everest was (depending on the length to be attributed to a cubit) something like 25 feet under water. This also means that there was then more than a billion cubic miles of water over and above the water presently on the earth.

There is of course nothing even remotely resembling evidence for such an event, let alone an explanation of where the billion cubit miles of water came from and is now. That's only one of very many reasons we know there never was such a flood in reality.

Indeed, as you know, the authors of the bible believed the earth was flat; but not even they offer an explanation as how how you can place so much water on the flat earth to such a height faster than it would fall away over the edges of the earth. Or how such a solid waterfall of water would allow the ark to float beneath it. Still, folktales can be like that, I guess. It would have made as much sense if it said Noah and friends climbed up the beanstalk to Giantland for the duration.

Nonsense. Have you actually read Young's literal translation, which clearly says that the flood height was only 15 cubits, and DOES NOT say that the high mountains were covered by 15 cubits? Same same for the Jewish bible

Genesis 7:20 YLT -
fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, and the mountains are covered;

Berei**** (Genesis): Chapter 7

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/berei****-genesis-chapter-7

I quoted you the relevant part of Young. If you want to understand the words to mean something distinct from and contrary to what 100% of other translators make of the same Hebrew, well, you live (I trust) in a free country. Go for it!

 

[Monty]

Yes, this translation accords with all the standard translations. Taken literally, it means that the tip of Mt Everest was (depending on the length to be attributed to a cubit) something like 25 feet under water. This also means that there was then more than a billion cubic miles of water over and above the water presently on the earth.

There is of course nothing even remotely resembling evidence for such an event, let alone an explanation of where the billion cubit miles of water came from and is now. That's only one of very many reasons we know there never was such a flood in reality.

Indeed, as you know, the authors of the bible believed the earth was flat; but not even they offer an explanation as how how you can place so much water on the flat earth to such a height faster than it would fall away over the edges of the earth. Or how such a solid waterfall of water would allow the ark to float beneath it. Still, folktales can be like that, I guess. It would have made as much sense if it said Noah and friends climbed up the beanstalk to Giantland for the duration.

I quoted you the relevant part of Young. If you want to understand the words to mean something distinct from and contrary to what 100% of other translators make of the same Hebrew, well, you live (I trust) in a free country. Go for it!

Nonsense. Anyone who is actually familiar with the English language can see that Young's literal translation clearly says that the flood water only rose upwards 15 cubits, and DOES NOT say that the mountains were covered by 15 cubits?

Genesis 7:20 YLT -
fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, (COMMA)

and the mountains are covered;

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Yes, this translation accords with all the standard translations. Taken literally, it means that the tip of Mt Everest was (depending on the length to be attributed to a cubit) something like 25 feet under water. This also means that there was then more than a billion cubic miles of water over and above the water presently on the earth.

There is of course nothing even remotely resembling evidence for such an event, let alone an explanation of where the billion cubit miles of water came from and is now. That's only one of very many reasons we know there never was such a flood in reality.

Indeed, as you know, the authors of the bible believed the earth was flat; but not even they offer an explanation as how how you can place so much water on the flat earth to such a height faster than it would fall away over the edges of the earth. Or how such a solid waterfall of water would allow the ark to float beneath it. Still, folktales can be like that, I guess. It would have made as much sense if it said Noah and friends climbed up the beanstalk to Giantland for the duration.

I quoted you the relevant part of Young. If you want to understand the words to mean something distinct from and contrary to what 100% of other translators make of the same Hebrew, well, you live (I trust) in a free country. Go for it!

You have forgotten that the mountains before the flood were quite lower than today.
God raised the mountains at the end of the worldwide flood and lowered the ocean depths to drain of the flood waters and have dry land again.

BTW, where did all the water on the Earth come from?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have forgotten that the mountains before the flood were quite lower than today.

What makes you think that is the case? Once you support your claim with proper evidence, that means that the Bible does not count, I will explain to you how we know that the mountains are old, at least in your reckoning.

God raised the mountains at the end of the worldwide flood and lowered the ocean depths to drain of the flood waters and have dry land again.

How did he do that? Why is there no evidence of that?

BTW, where did all the water on the Earth come from?

I can tell you the likely source, but you need to support your earlier claims first.

 

[Monty]

You have forgotten that the mountains before the flood were quite lower than today.
God raised the mountains at the end of the worldwide flood and lowered the ocean depths to drain of the flood waters and have dry land again.

BTW, where did all the water on the Earth come from?

Only in your dreams. What is your evidence to support your hypothesis that less than 4000 years ago the world's mountain ranges and oceans were formed in a few days when a god waved it's magic wand resulting in the temperature of the Earth's temperature rapidly increasing to over 1000 degrees and incinerating all life including Noah and the millions of animals on his boat?

And the Hebrew bible clearly says that the flood height was only 15 cubits, and why the olive tree growing was unaffected since it was growing outside the flooded area

 

[SavedByTheLord]

What makes you think that is the case? Once you support your claim with proper evidence, that means that the Bible does not count, I will explain to you how we know that the mountains are old, at least in your reckoning.


How did he do that? Why is there no evidence of that?

I can tell you the likely source, but you need to support your earlier claims first.

Mount Everest has sea shells on it.
Where are all the many millions of missing chains of missing links in the fossil record?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Mount Everest has sea shells on it.

Yes, and we have an explanation for that fact. You don't. And it is not really "on it". There are sea shell fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old. We have evidence for that. You don't even have a working model. Until you have a proper scientific hypothesis you do not have any evidence at all.

Where are all the many millions of missing chains of missing links in the fossil record?

What makes you think that they should be there? You ask questions that tell everyone else that you have no clue about what you are debating against.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Yes, and we have an explanation for that fact. You don't. And it is not really "on it". There are sea shell fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old. We have evidence for that. You don't even have a working model. Until you have a proper scientific hypothesis you do not have any evidence at all.

What makes you think that they should be there? You ask questions that tell everyone else that you have no clue about what you are debating against.

No. The fact proves the world wide flood.
All you have is circular reasoning.
I already proved that the Earth is only about 6000 years old.

What was the code of the first living creature?
How many different kind of proteins did it have?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. The fact proves the world wide flood.

No, it only shows that that mountain top was once much much lower. Even you admitted that. The question is who has evidence for their beliefs. You don't. You do not even know what is and what is not evidence.

All you have is circular reasoning.
I already proved that the Earth is only about 6000 years old.

No, you never did that. In fact your proved the opposite when you ran away.

What was the code of the first living creature?
How many different kind of proteins did it have?

Oh my, more unjustified questions.

You were asked much better ones about you God. Why didn't you answer them?

 

[Monty]

No. The fact proves the world wide flood.
All you have is circular reasoning.
I already proved that the Earth is only about 6000 years old.

What was the code of the first living creature?
How many different kind of proteins did it have?

Nonsense. The bible says that it was just a local flood, and why the olive tree was unaffected since it was growing outside the flooded area.

So why don't you believe what the bible actually says and just make up your own fantasy stories instead?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Nonsense. The bible says that it was just a local flood, and why the olive tree was unaffected since it was growing outside the flooded area.

So why don't you believe what the bible actually says and just make up your own fantasy stories instead?

The flood of course was worldwide and the olive tree survived because the seeds survived.

It would be stupid to build an ark and not just walk to another area.

Where did the finely tuned and orderly laws of nature come from?

 

[Monty]

The flood of course was worldwide and the olive tree survived because the seeds survived.

It would be stupid to build an ark and not just walk to another area.

Where did the finely tuned and orderly laws of nature come from?

Total nonsense. As a retired plant physiologist and orchardist I can assure you that olive trees cannot survive being completely submerged in salt water for over six months. Nor can a mature tree be grown from seed in a few hours. Or are you claiming that a god just .waved it's magic wand?
So why don't you believe what the bible actually says, and that the flood height was only 15 cubits?
Do you actually believe any of the silly nonsense you keep posting?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Total nonsense. As a retired plant physiologist and orchardist I can assure you that olive trees cannot survive being completely submerged in salt water for over six months. Nor can a mature tree be grown from seed in a few hours. Or are you claiming that a god just .waved it's magic wand?
So why don't you believe what the bible actually says, and that the flood height was only 15 cubits?
Do you actually believe any of the silly nonsense you keep posting?

That is nit true the water was 15 cubits above the highest peak and the seeds of the olive trees survived, not the trees.

 

[blü 2]

Nonsense. Anyone who is actually familiar with the English language can see that Young's literal translation clearly says that the flood water only rose upwards 15 cubits, and DOES NOT say that the mountains were covered by 15 cubits?

Genesis 7:20 YLT -
fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, (COMMA)

and the mountains are covered;

Have a lovely day.