Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[blü 2]

You have forgotten that the mountains before the flood were quite lower than today.
God raised the mountains at the end of the worldwide flood and lowered the ocean depths to drain of the flood waters and have dry land again.

BTW, where did all the water on the Earth come from?

Mount Everest rises at the rate of 4mm a year, more or less, so 1 meter every 250 years, and 10 meters every 2,500 years and 40 meters every 10,000 years.

So 10,000 years ago, Mt Everest was still well over 28,000 feet high.

The bible makes no mention of God raising the mountains at the end of the flood. Whoever told you that is either sadly ignorant not only of geology but of the text of the bible as well ─ or even more sadly a liar.

 

[Monty]

That is nit true the water was 15 cubits above the highest peak and the seeds of the olive trees survived, not the trees.

IOW you've never actually read that story, which says that the flood was only 15 cubits high, and says nothing at all about olive seeds being eaten by Noah's bird, but only about a fresh leaf plucked from a mature olive tree growing outside the flooded area.

Genesis 7:20 YLT -
fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty,
and the mountains are covered;

 

[SavedByTheLord]

IOW you've never actually read that story, which says that the flood was only 15 cubits high, and says nothing at all about olive seeds being eaten by Noah's bird, but only about a fresh leaf plucked from a mature olive tree growing outside the flooded area.

Genesis 7:20 YLT -
fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty,
and the mountains are covered;

not true,
I have never seen such a weird attack on the Bible anywhere.
It would make the entire flood nonsensocial.
Circular reasoning is rampant in the evolution and billions of years crowd

 

[Monty]

not true,
I have never seen such a weird attack on the Bible anywhere.
It would make the entire flood nonsensocial.
Circular reasoning is rampant in the evolution and billions of years crowd

So why do you claim that the bible isn't true, given that the bible just describes a local flood which was 15 cubits high and had no effect on an olive tree growing outside the flood area?

Genesis 7:20 YLT -
fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty,
and the mountains are covered;

 

[SavedByTheLord]

So why do you claim that the bible isn't true, given that the bible just describes a local flood which was 15 cubits high and had no effect on an olive tree growing outside the flood area?

Genesis 7:20 YLT -
fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty,
and the mountains are covered;

I never said that and Young’s Literal literally stinks in many verses.
The King James Bible.

As I said I never heard any attack so bizarre against the Bible as yours.
Congrats

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The Bible says what it says ... You cann't change it.

Sure you can. There are an assortment of techniques. Retranslate it. Or redefine words. Or call it allegory. Or write a superseding testament. Here's a nice example now, where behemoth is retranslated as brontosaurus:

Brachiosaurus for sure. God calls is behemoth.

Thank you for this timely example.

He moveth his tail like a cedar - Job 40:17

Does it moveth like these? :

An elephant or a hippo have small tales.

Yes, and they move like cedars - very little.

I loved dinosaurs as a kid

Me, too. It looks like we took divergent paths from there. My parents bought me science books. I'm guessing you got a Bible instead.

Like many others posting here, I've been a fan of science since childhood. As kids we had chemistry sets and erector sets. We sat glued to the TV for space missions and watched the science for children shows. Later, we subscribed to Scientific American or Sky & Telescope. We ate up the biology, chemistry and physics in high school. Many chose the sciences professionally (my degrees were in biochemistry then medicine). Most continued reading after graduation, which is where I learned the science I didn't learn in my formal education (earth science, quantum science, cosmology). I still watch everything on Nova that's scientific.

How about you? It looks like you learned about dinosaurs from Job.

Pascal in his famous wager claimed that there was no cost to taking the path of faith in the god of Abraham and being wrong. You probably agree with that.

False accusations by you prove the Bible is true.

That ship has sailed. Most of the Bible's scientific claims have been falsified.

The agreement between authors is proof that the Bible is inspired by God

And contrariwise, if one finds contradiction there, what should he conclude?

Besides, inspired isn't good enough. The Flintstones were inspired by The Honeymooners, and West Side Story was inspired by Romeo and Juliet,. Neither inspiration is faithful to the original. Each has added content, deleted content, and modified content.

You are without knowledge of the Bible. The word clone is not there

Why would it be, or did you think it was written in English? Your Bible is translated, and I believe that story, which describes cloning, was originally in Aramaic.

Peter wrote by inspiration by God and the prediction from his writings have come true with exact timing and detail.
You are the fulfillment of them.

As you well know, I have been littering your threads with my prophecies about your posting. I was not inspired by any gods, but my prophecies are stronger than biblical prophecies. They predict the precise language ("evolution and billions of years" and "polystrate trees"), who will post it, and when and where. Prophecy: you will do so again and again, in this thread (and others that you have started recently), on RF, in the third week of October, 2023. This is strong prophecy in the sense that it is specific, but as weak as yours in predicting only the obvious.

Biblical prophecy is weak in both senses, since it doesn't identify individuals or specific times or places - just nonspecific notions like people will scorn and reject you which you probably see this post as fulfilling. You can't convince anybody of anything with biblical prophecy except that it's easy to write weak prophecy.

Scientific prophecy, by contrast, is strong in both senses, being not only specific, but predicting the unlikely.

"Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of science?" - Carl Sagan

 

[Monty]

I never said that and Young’s Literal literally stinks in many verses.
The King James Bible.

As I said I never heard any attack so bizarre against the Bible as yours.
Congrats

YLT is still a literal translation of the Hebrew text, which says the flood was only 15 cubits high and therefore just a local event, and why a fresh leaf could be plucked from an olive tree which was obviously unaffected by the flood. Any other interpretation of that text lacks any common sense logic and is just a made up fantasy with zero credibility.

And that's your personal choice if you believe that the actual biblical text stinks and prefer one of the false made up fantasy stories instead.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

YLT is still a literal translation of the Hebrew text, which says the flood was only 15 cubits high and therefore just a local event, and why a fresh leaf could be plucked from an olive tree which was obviously unaffected by the flood. Any other interpretation of that text lacks any common sense logic and is just a made up fantasy with zero credibility.

And that's your personal choice if you believe that the actual biblical text stinks and prefer one of the false made up fantasy stories instead.

You are completely in the twilight zone with this unheard of attempt.
But you are fulfilling dozens of Biblical prophecies with exact timing and detail.
Young’s literal translation, literally is bad in many verses but no Bible translation says what you claim it says.
The waters prevailed above THE HIGHEST PEAKS if you look at the context of the 15 cubits.
It would be the most ludicrous idea of a flood barely more than a pipe burst, since all animals and people would just easily walk to safe ground instead of building an ark that big.
Just read Genesis 7 and it is clearly a worldwide flood .

 

[Monty]

You are completely in the twilight zone with this unheard of attempt.
But you are fulfilling dozens of Biblical prophecies with exact timing and detail.
Young’s literal translation, literally is bad in many verses but no Bible translation says what you claim it says.
The waters prevailed above THE HIGHEST PEAKS if you look at the context of the 15 cubits.
It would be the most ludicrous idea of a flood barely more than a pipe burst, since all animals and people would just easily walk to safe ground instead of building an ark that big.
Just read Genesis 7 and it is clearly a worldwide flood .

Are you familiar with the Hebrew language, and have you ever actually read the Hebrew bible which clearly describes a local flood which was only 15 cubits high? Which is why it drained away like every other similar flood and why a near by olive tree was unaffected by the flood, and why kangaroos are not native to the Middle East.

And are you familiar with the English language, and have you ever read Genesis 7, since the KJV etc also say that the olive tree was unaffected by the flood which was only 15 cubits high?

If you believe otherwise then what is your evidence to support your hypothesis that kangaroos and echidnas are native to the Middle East?

 

[metis]

Young's literal translation of the Hebrew text, however, says that flood was only 15 cubits high and therefore just a local flood, and why kangaroos and sloths are not native to the middle east.

That doesn't address the point that we don't have the originals-- period.

 

[metis]

IOW the story about a global flood is pure fantasy with zero credibility, and why it is totally irrelevant to you.

Because I don't believe in biblical inerrancy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That doesn't address the point that we don't have the originals-- period.

I do, I am willing to sell them at a very reasonable price.

 

[metis]

I do, I am willing to sell them at a very reasonable price.

Greedy sucker!

 

[metis]

Allegorical doesn’t fit. It makes Jesus’ words, and Peter’s, a toothless lion.

As I previously stated, I believe that the Flood narrative is a myth* to counter the Babylonian Gilgamesh polytheistic narratives, and the main lessons that I derive from the Jewish one is that we believe on one God, not many, and that the Flood was as such so as to punish wrongdoings. So, there's one God, who teaches basic morality, who has immense power to reward or punish but is willing to forgive.

But here's also why I cannot accept the Flood narrative as being real history: Is God a homicidal maniac who practices genocide if some do somethings wrong, including children? How is that the love and compassion that Jesus taught? How is that compatible with halacha [basic Jewish teachings-- 613 Commandments-- of right & wrong]? If it's an accurate depiction of God, then count me out.

*myth: as you're probably aware of "myth" in theological circles doesn't mean falsehood, much like Jesus' parables.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Are you familiar with the Hebrew language, and have you ever actually read the Hebrew bible which clearly describes a local flood which was only 15 cubits high? Which is why it drained away like every other similar flood and why a near by olive tree was unaffected by the flood, and why kangaroos are not native to the Middle East.

And are you familiar with the English language, and have you ever read Genesis 7, since the KJV etc also say that the olive tree was unaffected by the flood which was only 15 cubits high?

If you believe otherwise then what is your evidence to support your hypothesis that kangaroos and echidnas are native to the Middle East?

God provided the whole Bible, OT and NT, in English in the KJB.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God provided the whole Bible, OT and NT, in English in the KJB.

You have to be kidding. Why would he make such a gross error? God, if he exists, would know that languages change and that the KJB would eventually be unreadable. It is close to it right now. Many Christians, most of them KJV only Christians, cannot understand their own Bible.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

You have to be kidding. Why would he make such a gross error? God, if he exists, would know that languages change and that the KJB would eventually be unreadable. It is close to it right now. Many Christians, most of them KJV only Christians, cannot understand their own Bible.

I read it all the time. My kids were reading it when they were 8 and 12.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I read it all the time. My kids were reading it when they were 8 and 12.

Reading it is not the same as understanding it.

 

[Monty]

God provided the whole Bible, OT and NT, in English in the KJB.

Which is why the biblical flood story obviously just describes a local flood event which was 15 cubits high and had no effect on an olive tree growing outside the flooded area.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Which is why the biblical flood story obviously just describes a local flood event which was 15 cubits high and had no effect on an olive tree growing outside the flooded area.

Your theory is preposterous.