Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[Monty]

The flood that I often link as the most likely flood was one where if one had been in the middle of it in a boat one would have only seen water from horizon to horizon. I can see how that could easily be exaggerated to the whole world being covered in water. Outside of the Tigris Euphrates valley system people would have been saying "What flood?"

The story shouldn't be seen through 21st century eyes, but through those that described the heavens as a coloured dome attached to the circle of the horizon which was the edge of their world, and how the flood waters from hundreds of kilometres away seemed to magically appear from the earth without warning.

 

[F1fan]

The story shouldn't be seen through 21st century eyes, but through those that described the heavens as a coloured dome attached to the circle of the horizon which was the edge of their world, and how the flood waters from hundreds of kilometres away appeared to magically appear from the earth without warning.

Yes, people who commonly embellished stories.

 

[ChieftheCef]

I know of scientific findings that hint at a regional catastrophe at the pillars of hercules (between spain and morocco) some many thousands of years ago but a blink in geologic eyes. It created the black sea. There very well may have been people living there when the flood overtook them, starting the myth across time that there can be great floods.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know of scientific findings that hint at a regional catastrophe at the pillars of hercules (between spain and morocco) some many thousands of years ago but a blink in geologic eyes. It created the black sea. There very well may have been people living there when the flood overtook them, starting the myth across time that there can be great floods.

Yes, that was a good sized flood. But it advanced very slowly. I like this one better:

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | National Center for Science Education

Introduction The Bible (Genesis 6–9) describes a worldwide flood (the Noachian Flood) covering even the highest mountains of the earth and the construction of a huge boat (a rectangular box-like craft) that transported animals, at least two of a kind of all land animals on the earth.

ncse.ngo

It is rather unlikely that anyone died in the Black Sea flood. It took a year for the Black Sea to go from about two thirds of its current size to the size that it is today. On a map if one could walk a mile a day on average one would easily leave the Black Sea flood behind. And that was where the expansion was greatest.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Yes, that was a good sized flood. But it advanced very slowly. I like this one better:

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | National Center for Science Education

Introduction The Bible (Genesis 6–9) describes a worldwide flood (the Noachian Flood) covering even the highest mountains of the earth and the construction of a huge boat (a rectangular box-like craft) that transported animals, at least two of a kind of all land animals on the earth.

ncse.ngo

It is rather unlikely that anyone died in the Black Sea flood. It took a year for the Black Sea to go from about two thirds of its current size to the size that it is today. On a map if one could walk a mile a day on average one would easily leave the Black Sea flood behind. And that was where the expansion was greatest.

You're totally right! THanks

 

[Monty]

Yes, that was a good sized flood. But it advanced very slowly. I like this one better:

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | National Center for Science Education

Introduction The Bible (Genesis 6–9) describes a worldwide flood (the Noachian Flood) covering even the highest mountains of the earth and the construction of a huge boat (a rectangular box-like craft) that transported animals, at least two of a kind of all land animals on the earth.

ncse.ngo

It is rather unlikely that anyone died in the Black Sea flood. It took a year for the Black Sea to go from about two thirds of its current size to the size that it is today. On a map if one could walk a mile a day on average one would easily leave the Black Sea flood behind. And that was where the expansion was greatest.

And the Black Sea didn't drain away anyway.

 

[shunyadragon]

Is this what you do? Laugh off, what you can’t explain?

I don’t accept all of the claims in the show either, but when other parties verify the claims, it should be considered worthy of study.

I guess you “laugh off” every posters on here who’s had interactions & conversations with entities in the spirit realm, also, huh?

Just ignore it right? Maybe it’ll go away?

There is no ignoring the fact that there is absolutely no evidence for a regional or world flood as described in the Bible.

It is OK to laugh at the 'Emperor's New Cloths.'

 

[shunyadragon]

But not to anyone who has actually read that story, and how an olive tree was unaffected by a river flood which was only 15 cubits high.
About a year ago we had a similar flood which was over 26 cubits high and also covered the mountains but did not affect the olive trees growing outside the flooded area either, and some people are still homeless.

Genesis 7:20 KJV -
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail;

and the mountains were covered.

What flood are you referring to?

 

[Monty]

What flood are you referring to?

The flood on the Goulburn River which flooded Mooroopna about a year ago. And at the same time a flood on the Campaspe River flooded Rochester, and many of the residents are still homeless. Similarly for the most recent flood on the Wilsons River last year which flooded Lismore and left many homeless too.

 

[John53]

The flood on the Goulburn River which flooded Mooroopna about a year ago. And at the same time a flood on the Campaspe River flooded Rochester, and many of the residents are still homeless. Similarly for the most recent flood on the Wilsons River last year which flooded Lismore and left many homeless too.

For a second I thought you meant the Goulburn River in the Hunter Valley because it flooded last year too.

 

[shunyadragon]

The flood on the Goulburn River which flooded Mooroopna about a year ago. And at the same time a flood on the Campaspe River flooded Rochester, and many of the residents are still homeless. Similarly for the most recent flood on the Wilsons River last year which flooded Lismore and left many homeless too.

I do not believe these floods involved hilltops where olive trees would grow.

The Biblical flood was 15 cubits over the mountains or hills. None of these floods made that criteria. They were floodplain floods no hills or mountains involved. These are common floods worldwide, and yes, these rivers frequently flood. There are of course worse catastrophic deeper floods on larger rivers in history like the Mississippi, Tigris Euphrates Rivers, and the Amazon, but none of these river floods topped mountains or hills where olive trees grow with 15 cubits of water.

 

[Monty]

I do not believe these floods involved hilltops where olive trees would grow.

The Biblical flood was 15 cubits over the mountains or hills. None of these floods made that criteria. They were floodplain floods no hills or mountains involved. These are common floods worldwide, and yes, these rivers frequently flood. There are of course worse catastrophic deeper floods on larger rivers in history like the Mississippi, Tigris Euphrates Rivers, and the Amazon, but none of these river floods topped mountains or hills where olive trees grow with 15 cubits of water.

The Hebrew bible and KJV etc, however, doesn't say that the mountains/hills were covered by 15 cubits. It only says that the flood height was 15 cubits and that the highest hills in the flooded area were covered by at least a micrometre of flood water.

Genesis 7:20 KJV -
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail;

and the mountains were covered.

 

[shunyadragon]

The Hebrew bible and KJV etc, however, doesn't say that the mountains/hills were covered by 15 cubits. It only says that the flood height was 15 cubits and that the highest hills in the flooded area were flooded.

Genesis 7:20 KJV -
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail;

and the mountains were covered.

I do not agree with your translation, but the micrometer of water is a laughable assumption based on the scripture. OK. but your citation of floods as all floods in history do not qualify, because none covered the hills where olive trees grow nor mountain tops. If you cover mountains the hills where mountains grow would be covered by many cubits of water.

 

[Monty]

I do not agree with your translation, but OK. but your citation of floods as all floods in history do not qualify, because none covered the hills where olive trees grow nor mountain tops.

I, however, didn't write the KJV or Young's literal translation or the Orthodox Jewish bible. And anyone who is familiar with the King's English and it's usage can clearly see that those texts say that the flood height was only 15 cubits, and don't meaninglessly say that the flood was 15 cubits above the highest hills and that the actual flood height was therefore unknown since the height of the hills above the normal river height was unknown.

Bereshis 7:19-21 OJB -
19 And the waters rose exceedingly upon ha’aretz; and all the high hills, that were under kol HaShomayim, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters rise; and the harim were covered.
21 And kol basar perished that moved upon ha’aretz, both of Oph, and of Behemah, and of Beast, and of every Swarming Thing that swarms upon ha’aretz, and kol haadam;

Genesis 7:19-21 YLT -
19 And the waters have been very very mighty on the earth, and covered are all the high mountains which [are] under the whole heavens;
20 fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, and the mountains are covered;
21 and expire doth all flesh that is moving on the earth, among fowl, and among cattle, and among beasts, and among all the teeming things which are teeming on the earth, and all mankind;

 

[YoursTrue]

But the bible says that the flood had no effect on an olive tree or Noah's brothers Jabal & Jubal (Gen 4:20-21), and that it covered the land to the horizon. And says nothing about a global flood, but only one that affected Noah's world and his family and their animals. And no different to the floods in Bangladesh and other flood prone areas. But how would the evangelists frighten their little kids if they said that. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Map-of-flood-affected-areas-in-Bangladesh_fig1_326263766

Where is the info in the Bible that Jubal and Jabal are Noah's brothers that survived the Flood? And to have God as a Decision-maker should help parents and children. It is really a sad thing, though, when parents abuse their privilege of raising children. But where is the info that Jubal and Jabal were Noah's brothers, please.

 

[shunyadragon]

I, however, didn't write the KJV or Young's literal translation or the Orthodox Jewish bible. And anyone who is familiar with the King's English and it's usage can clearly see that those texts say that the flood height was only 15 cubits, and don't meaninglessly say that the flood was 15 cubits above the highest hills and that the actual flood height was therefore unknown since the height of the hills above the normal river height was unknown.

Bereshis 7:19-21 OJB -
19 And the waters rose exceedingly upon ha’aretz; and all the high hills, that were under kol HaShomayim, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters rise; and the harim were covered.
21 And kol basar perished that moved upon ha’aretz, both of Oph, and of Behemah, and of Beast, and of every Swarming Thing that swarms upon ha’aretz, and kol haadam;

Genesis 7:19-21 YLT -
19 And the waters have been very very mighty on the earth, and covered are all the high mountains which [are] under the whole heavens;
20 fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, and the mountains are covered;
21 and expire doth all flesh that is moving on the earth, among fowl, and among cattle, and among beasts, and among all the teeming things which are teeming on the earth, and all mankind;

The above bold confirms my conclusions

I do not agree with your translation, but the micrometer of water is a laughable assumption based on the scripture. OK. but your citation of floods as all floods in history do not qualify, because none covered the hills where olive trees grow and mountain tops. If you cover mountains the hills where olive trees grow would be covered by many cubits of water.

 

[Monty]

The above bold confirms my conclusions

But anyone who is actually familiar with the King's English, however, can see that those texts say that the total flood height was only 15 cubits, and clearly DO NOT say anything about the depth of water above the hills or how high the hills were.

I do not agree with your translation, but the micrometer of water is a laughable assumption based on the scripture. OK. but your citation of floods as all floods in history do not qualify, because none covered the hills where olive trees grow and mountain tops. If you cover mountains the hills where mountains grow would be covered by many cubits of water.

Those texts only say that the hills were covered by the flood water, but say nothing about the depth of flood water above them as measured by Noah on his boat using a measuring pole and tape.

 

[shunyadragon]

But anyone who is actually familiar with the King's English, however, can see that those texts say that the total flood height was only 15 cubits, and clearly DO NOT say anything about the depth of water above the hills or how high the hills were.

Those texts only say that the hills were covered by the flood water, but say nothing about the depth of flood water above them as measured by Noah on his boat using a measuring pole and tape.

The second reference says 20 cubits. Again by the text and the floods you cite the hills where olive trees grow are covered with nothing less than regional flood which is only known in the floods of glacial lakes during the Ice Ages. Contradiction is not resolvable when it describes the higher mountains are also covered. Yes, higher hills where olive trees grow and even small mountains would be higher than 15 or 20 cubits.

There are so many contradictions here that trying to justify any sort of flood described in the Bible is literally impossible. Your efforts are in a way admirable, but foolish trying to justify something that never could have happened.

The only viable conclusion is that the whole thing is a myth, based on more ancient Sumerian texts that describe a Tygras Euphrates flood Also, the Pentateuch was compiled after 600 BCE and by and large compiled from a number of sources none- other known written sources, and likely mostly Sumerian, Babylonian, Canaanite, Phoenician, and Ugarit sources that predate the
Pentateuch.

 

[Monty]

Where is the info in the Bible that Jubal and Jabal are Noah's brothers that survived the Flood? And to have God as a Decision-maker should help parents and children. It is really a sad thing, though, when parents abuse their privilege of raising children. But where is the info that Jubal and Jabal were Noah's brothers, please.

The separate genealogies in Gen 4 & 5 say that they were also the sons of Lamech, and that they were the fathers of all nomadic herders and musical instrument makers, and therefore they and their families were not drowned with the rest of their family since Noah only built a boat.
The genealogy in the Gen 5 story includes the separate genealogy in the Gen 4 story with minor changes in spelling and order. Thus Cainan=Cain, Mahalalel=Mehujael, Jared=Irad, Enoch=Enoch, Methuselah=Methusael, Lamech=Lamech. Therefore the "Adam" in the Gen 4 story was the grandson of the "Adam" in the Gen 5 story - ie Enosh.

 

[Monty]

The second reference says 20 cubits. Again by the text and the floods you cite the hills where olive trees grow are covered with nothing less than regional flood which is only known in the floods of glacial lakes during the Ice Ages. Contradiction is not resolvable when it describes the higher mountains are also covered.

There are so many contradictions here that trying to justify any sort of flood described in the Bible is literally impossible. Your efforts are in a way admirable, but foolish trying to justify something that never could have happened.

Both those texts and the KJV say that the flood was only 15 cubits high not 20 cubits. Therefore the height of the highest hills/mountains in the flood zone were less than 15 cubits above the normal river height, and why they were covered by the flood water. And perhaps the olive tree was growing on the "mountains of Ararat" which were only covered by a micrometre of water.
To the contrary, that story simply describes one of many river floods in that area, which unfortunately drowned most of Noah's family and their cattle and goats and pigs and chooks, and had nothing to do with retribution from a god with a hurt ego.