Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[Dan From Smithville]

Ok… there is a different gap theory that has been proposed in Gen 1.

Yes, there is very limited information. We do know a catastrophic earthquake can have immense consequences. A small one (in comparison) caused a 20ft drop in one mountain:

1959 Hebgen Lake earthquake - Wikipedia

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But we don't know of any natural event that causes all mountains to suddenly rise and continents to race suddenly away from each other to take up their present position. In fact, it is recognized that such a sudden release of energy would be expected to wipe out most, if not all life.

I’m not dogmatic about it but I just think that in the realm of possibilities, it is possible.

Not according to the evidence.

When I read what is in the Bible and the common storyline in multiple religions, I just find it possible.

If someone doesn’t believe it to be historical… ok. Not an issue for me.

It isn't that others believe this or that, but the compulsion all must believe this or that as well and the claims that are made in support of this or that belief as fact that I take issue with.

Belief in the flood or dismissal of it is not a tenet to being Christian, though some seem to believe it is.

I don't have any issues with what others believe. Just what they claim as facts for all.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

But we don't know of any natural event that causes all mountains to suddenly rise and continents to race suddenly away from each other to take up their present position. In fact, it is recognized that such a sudden release of energy would be expected to wipe out most, if not all life.

Exactly...finally an agreement

Noah's flood best explains this. It wiped out nearly all life except for those in the ark.

The bible doesnt call Noah's flood a natural event...it was a catastrophic global destruction by the hand of God.

The claim it could not cause rapid subduction amd lift mountains and separate continents...thats rubbish. We have plenty of examples where this has happened with earthquakes. For years it has been claimed that an earthquake along the coast of Califorrnia would wipe out huge areas of habitable landmass...so are those secular scientific predictions from geologic stuties of that area wrong?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It doesn’t say how high the mountains were

So what? We know how high that they were. Or I should say that anyone that understands the sciences can know how high that they were.

 

[Monty]

Are you suggesting that the original text was in the King's English?

The usage of the King's English, however, can be used to understand the differences in the numerous English translations, with about 2/3 being totally meaningless such as the NIV.

The NIV says the following: The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.

Not a total flood depth of > 15 cubits. But covering the mountains to a depth of > 15 cubits.

The NIV, however, doesn't say anything at all about the actual total depth of the flood, which could be over 16,000 cubits if the highest mountains in the world were covered by 15 cubits according to the NIV.
In contrast, the KJV & OJB & YLT clearly say that the total flood height was only a realistic 15 cubits.

 

[Monty]

Incomplete dishonest citation and misrepresentation of the text you cite. ALL the translations clearly state that ALL people and life died in a world flood.

No, I gave the Jewish Orthodox text and a reference as to what Jews believe and you decided to ignore the reference. ALL the translations say the same thing the mountains were covered by 15 cubits, The Rabbis agree, and based on this the Rabbis agree no such flood ever occurred. You are the one who asked to refer to the Rabbis

How many rabbis have you personally spoken to?
None of that, however, changes the unequivocal fact that the KJV & OJB & YLT clearly say that the total flood height was only 15 cubits, and unlike the NIV, say nothing at all about the depth of water over the highest hills in the flooded area except that they were covered by at least a millimetre of water.

 

[GardenLady]

What is it with the idolatry of the KJV? Who are you to decide that the version authorizes (influenced) by James I of England is somehow superior to others, especially with the subsequent uncovering of older manuscripts?

I once read someone said (sardonically), "Well if the KJV was good enough for the Apostles to carry around, it's good enough for me." Idolatry of a politically-influenced translation "sold" to the English speaking world.

As an aside, literal interpretation of Genesis (any translation) is unjustified.

 

[Monty]

Incomplete dishonest citation and misrepresentation of the text you cite. ALL the translations clearly state that ALL people and life died in a world flood.

No it doesn't, since the writer says that a fresh leaf was plucked from an olive tree, which was obviously growing outside the flooded area which only covered to the ring of the horizon, to which was attached the dome-shaped heavens as described in Isaiah 40:22.

No, I gave the Jewish Orthodox text and a reference as to what Jews believe and you decided to ignore the reference. ALL the translations say the same thing the mountains were covered by 15 cubits, The Rabbis agree, and based on this the Rabbis agree no such flood ever occurred. You are the one who asked to refer to the Rabbis

The OJB, however, says that the total flood height was only 15 cubits.

 

[Monty]

Exactly...finally an agreement

Noah's flood best explains this. It wiped out nearly all life except for those in the ark.

The bible doesnt call Noah's flood a natural event...it was a catastrophic global destruction by the hand of God.

The claim it could not cause rapid subduction amd lift mountains and separate continents...thats rubbish. We have plenty of examples where this has happened with earthquakes. For years it has been claimed that an earthquake along the coast of Califorrnia would wipe out huge areas of habitable landmass...so are those secular scientific predictions from geologic stuties of that area wrong?

That interpretation, however, is just pure fantasy, given that there are six distinct biogeographical regions with their own unique ranges of flora and fauna which evolved over millions of years. Which is why kangaroos are not native to the Middle East as falsely claimed by that version of the flood story.

 

[Monty]

What is it with the idolatry of the KJV? Who are you to decide that the version authorizes (influenced) by James I of England is somehow superior to others, especially with the subsequent uncovering of older manuscripts?

I once read someone said (sardonically), "Well if the KJV was good enough for the Apostles to carry around, it's good enough for me." Idolatry of a politically-influenced translation "sold" to the English speaking world.

As an aside, literal interpretation of Genesis (any translation) is unjustified.

Unlike the NIV, at least the KJV & OJB & YLT tell us what the total depth of the flood was, and that the story therefore just describes another local event which unfortunately drowned most of Noah's family and their cows and goats and pigs and chooks.

 

[metis]

If someone doesn’t believe it to be historical… ok. Not an issue for me.

Amen.

 

[Kenny]

My message isn’t “The Flood” - it’s Jesus.

But we don't know of any natural event that causes all mountains to suddenly rise and continents to race suddenly away from each other to take up their present position. In fact, it is recognized that such a sudden release of energy would be expected to wipe out most, if not all life.

Science does know what a catastrophic earthquake would do. Certainly a sudden race away from each other would cause earthquakes or visa versa. At least the story goes that all life was wiped away.

Not according to the evidence.

I think it is more like “according to interpretation"

Belief in the flood or dismissal of it is not a tenet to being Christian, though some seem to believe it is.

I don't have any issues with what others believe.

Amen!

 

[metis]

Amen!

I already copyrighted that just before my last post, so I'm going to sue your butt off!

I take Mastercard or Visa, btw.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Exactly...finally an agreement

Sorry, I'm not agreeing that the flood took place or that it answers anything.

Noah's flood best explains this. It wiped out nearly all life except for those in the ark.

No it does not. There is no evidence for it.

The bible doesnt call Noah's flood a natural event...it was a catastrophic global destruction by the hand of God.

Correct, the Bible indicates some sort of magical, miraculous event in the whole. But if it is a magical, miraculous event--events that we have no evidence for--then those that rely on evidence are not wrong or at fault for concluding on that evidence or strange lack of it.

The claim it could not cause rapid subduction amd lift mountains and separate continents...thats rubbish.

No natural event that didn't wipe out the planet could and no natural event is known or possible to carry out what literalists claim must have happened.

We have plenty of examples where this has happened with earthquakes.

Nothing on the claimed scale.

For years it has been claimed that an earthquake along the coast of Califorrnia would wipe out huge areas of habitable landmass...so are those secular scientific predictions from geologic stuties of that area wrong?

So science is correct when you think it backs you, but totally wrong and worthless when it doesn't.

The scale of a massive quake along the San Andreas fault would not come close to what is being claimed to have occurred during and after the flood. What is being claimed is that events are like a massive earthquake over ever square inch of the Earth's surface. The ark and all aboard would have been destroyed even allowing that something like that could have been carried off to that point, for which there is no evidence either.

Believe it all you want, but you cannot wish it out of the cornfield and into existence.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

My message isn’t “The Flood” - it’s Jesus.

I gathered. But the flood being seen as an actual event both historically and scientifically does seem to play into it for many.

Science does know what a catastrophic earthquake would do.

Actually, there is a lot known about catastrophic earthquakes. Just none know to span the global with equivalent destruction and power.

Certainly a sudden race away from each other would cause earthquakes or visa versa. At least the story goes that all life was wiped away.

Events that would lead to such things would wipe out the planet or leave it barren and without any life.

I think it is more like “according to interpretation"

Again, interpretations can be subjective and not all are equal.

Amen!

Yes.

 

[Monty]

I gathered. But the flood being seen as an actual event both historically and scientifically does seem to play into it for many.

Actually, there is a lot known about catastrophic earthquakes. Just none know to span the global with equivalent destruction and power.

Events that would lead to such things would wipe out the planet or leave it barren and without any life.

Again, interpretations can be subjective and not all are equal.

Yes.

It depends on which biblical version you prefer, since the KJV & OJB & YLT simply describe another river flood which was 15 cubits high. In contrast, other versions such as the NIV have zero credibility since they don't tell us the actual flood height.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It depends on which biblical version you prefer, since the KJV & OJB & YLT simply describe another river flood which was 15 cubits high. In contrast, other versions such as the NIV have zero credibility since they don't tell us the actual flood height.

It appears to depend on interpretation in any event. While we differ somewhat in the interpretation of certain details, it seems we agree that the biblical flood is based on local flooding and prior myth.

 

[Kenny]

I already copyrighted that just before my last post, so I'm going to sue your butt off!

I take Mastercard or Visa, btw.

LOL - I noticed that after… i just thought that intelligent and spiritual people are just in the know!

 

[Kenny]

I gathered. But the flood being seen as an actual event both historically and scientifically does seem to play into it for many.

Agreed.

Actually, there is a lot known about catastrophic earthquakes. Just none know to span the global with equivalent destruction and power.

yes… our knowledge is limited

Events that would lead to such things would wipe out the planet or leave it barren and without any life.

Depending on how catastrophic.

Again, interpretations can be subjective and not all are equal.

agreed

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Agreed.

yes… our knowledge is limited

But not to the point of complete ignorance or to accept a very wild claim with no evidence at all.

Depending on how catastrophic.

It is my understanding that racing continents, miles of water and consequent release of energy would be very, very catastrophic.'

In a way I agree, given we don't know of any event like that or how the Earth would survive it, let alone anything living on the Earth.

agreed

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[YoursTrue]

Exactly...finally an agreement

Noah's flood best explains this. It wiped out nearly all life except for those in the ark.

The bible doesnt call Noah's flood a natural event...it was a catastrophic global destruction by the hand of God.

The claim it could not cause rapid subduction amd lift mountains and separate continents...thats rubbish. We have plenty of examples where this has happened with earthquakes. For years it has been claimed that an earthquake along the coast of Califorrnia would wipe out huge areas of habitable landmass...so are those secular scientific predictions from geologic stuties of that area wrong?

Hello. I know a large discussion has been about the amount of water as if it could not flood the entire earth. But I was reading that one cloud can hold over one million tons of water. Lots of water in one cloud. How Much Does a Cloud Weigh? | U.S. Geological Survey).