Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[Astrophile]

Hello. I know a large discussion has been about the amount of water as if it could not flood the entire earth. But I was reading that one cloud can hold over one million tons of water. Lots of water in one cloud. How Much Does a Cloud Weigh? | U.S. Geological Survey).

What your link actually says is that a cloud with a volume of 1 km³ has a mass of about 550 tons. Even a million tons is insignificant by comparison with the estimated 13,000 km³ (about 10^13 tons) of water that is in the atmosphere at any time, and even that is insignificant by comparison with the 1,350,000,000 km³ of water in the oceans.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hello. I know a large discussion has been about the amount of water as if it could not flood the entire earth. But I was reading that one cloud can hold over one million tons of water. Lots of water in one cloud. How Much Does a Cloud Weigh? | U.S. Geological Survey).

Okay. So what? You should not be impressed by large numbers. The weight that they used for a cloud was 500,000 kilograms of water. Since the gram was originally defined by one cm^3 of water it is easy to change that into a volume. That would be 500 metric tons of water. Which would be 500 cubic meters of water. That is a cubic kilometer of cloud so lets see what that would be over an area of a square kilometer:

500 m^3/(1,000 m^2) =(5*10^2)m^3/10^6m^2 = 5*10^-4m. Let's turn that into millimeters. Just multiply by 1,000 .5 mm. Yep, all of that water in a cloud, but when you spread it out over a distance of a square meter you would only have a half of a millimeter of water.

Your typical cumulus cloud can carry what appears to be a lot of water. But when you change it to water on land it is not very much at all. Now a cumulonimbus cloud will have an even higher density and have a much greater height. But even those will typically have less than ten centimeter of water when one puts it all on the ground.

It is easy to fool people with large numbers if they do not apply them to reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What your link actually says is that a cloud with a volume of 1 km³ has a mass of about 550 tons. Even a million tons is insignificant by comparison with the estimated 13,000 km³ (about 10^13 tons) of water that is in the atmosphere at any time, and even that is insignificant by comparison with the 1,350,000,000 km³ of water in the oceans.

I did the math in my former post.

Here is the TLDR: The cloud in the example would only put half a millimeter of water on the ground.

 

[YoursTrue]

What your link actually says is that a cloud with a volume ofthere 1 km³ has a mass of about 550 tons. Even a million tons is insignificant by comparison with the estimated 13,000 km³ (about 10^13 tons) of water that is in the atmosphere at any time, and even that is insignificant by comparison with the 1,350,000,000 km³ of water in the oceans.

There were likely large masses of water in the sky. And the Bible says waters were unleashed from springs.

 

[Monty]

There were likely large masses of water in the sky.

But only enough to drown a worm or two

And the Bible says waters were unleashed from springs.

And the bible says the flood was only 15 cubits high and drained away like every other similar flood, and had no effect on an olive tree.

 

[YoursTrue]

But only enough to drown a worm or two

And the bible says the flood was only 15 cubits high and drained away like every other similar flood, and had no effect on an olive tree.

It was a leaf that the dove brought back.

 

[Monty]

It was a leaf that the dove brought back.

And it was freshly plucked from an olive tree which was happily growing outside the flooded area.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

And it was freshly plucked from an olive tree which was happily growing outside the flooded area.

Because olive trees don't do well when fully submerged in water for even three months, let alone a year.

 

[YoursTrue]

And it was freshly plucked from an olive tree which was happily growing outside the flooded area.

Not necessarily.

 

[YoursTrue]

According to one website, olive trees are able to survive many circumstances. Their roots are so strong that even if the tree itself has been destroyed, if the roots are intact the olive can cling to life and rise above the soil once again. What Is So Special About An Olive Tree? - Olive Grove Oundle.

 

[McBell]

According to one website, olive trees are able to survive many circumstances. Their roots are so strong that even if the tree itself has been destroyed, if the roots are intact the olive can cling to life and rise above the soil once again. What Is So Special About An Olive Tree? - Olive Grove Oundle.

Interesting how your own source mentions nothing about being underwater for a year...
In fact, you left out:

Equipped to handle drought, sub-zero temperatures, frost and even fire, olive trees are extraordinarily resilient. Their roots are so strong that they can re-grow even when it seems like they’ve been totally decimated.​

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Howevr, this site does explain how merely overwatering an olive tree, whether in a pot or the ground, will definately kill the plant:

What happens if you overwater an olive tree? - Olive Grove Oundle

What happens if you overwater an olive tree? Olive trees are susceptible to overwatering. For olive tree care tips and advice, visit Olive Grove Oundle today.

www.olivegroveoundle.co.uk

 

[shunyadragon]

How many rabbis have you personally spoken to?
None of that, however, changes the unequivocal fact that the KJV & OJB & YLT clearly say that the total flood height was only 15 cubits, and unlike the NIV, say nothing at all about the depth of water over the highest hills in the flooded area except that they were covered by at least a millimetre of water.

Incomplete dishonest citation and misrepresentation of the text you cite. ALL the translations clearly state that ALL people and life died in a world flood.

No, I gave the Jewish Orthodox text and a reference as to what Jews believe and you decided to ignore the reference. ALL the translations say the same thing the mountains were covered by 15 cubits, The Rabbis agree, and based on this the Rabbis agree no such flood ever occurred. You are the one who asked to refer to the Rabbis. I referred to two Rabbis that are part of a respected website.

You have a very aggressive agenda not based on the plain reading of the text and have not cited any Jewish sources. There are likely more and I might cite others.

Here is another Hebrew source that describes it as a 'world flood,' but describes it more in terms of a moral lesson for human relationships.

Lessons Of The Flood | My Jewish Learning

Noah Lessons. Noah Commentary. Noah Text Study. Weekly Torah Commentary. Parshat Hashavua. Jewish Texts

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Lessons Of The Flood​

The story of the flood provides us with numerous insights into human nature and human relationships.

BY RABBI EPHRAIM Z. BUCHWALD

Noah’s Flood​

BIBLE

Parashat Noach: Summary​

BIBLE

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Commentary on Parashat Noach, Genesis 6:9 - 11:32
Secular scholars speak of the story of the flood as if it were a myth, or a fairy tale. Not surprisingly, several ancient documents report striking parallels to the story of the flood.
Perhaps, the most famous document is the Babylonian “Epic of Gilgamesh,” which tells the story of a man by the name of Utnapishtim. The gods decide to destroy the earth, there is a great flood, and because Utnapishtim is the favorite of one of the gods, Eau, he is saved.

Gilgamesh and Noah​

Despite the parallels between the “Epic of Gilgamesh” and the Torah ’s story of Noah, they are strikingly different. In the Babylonian story, the gods arbitrarily decide to destroy the earth as if it were a plaything. Furthermore, the gods choose to save Utnapishtim only because he is a “favorite” of theirs, not because he is worthy of being saved.
In Parshat Noah, however, there is a moral imperative. The world is flooded not because God arbitrarily decides to destroy the world, but because it had become corrupt and destructive. Noah is not arbitrarily saved. He is deserving. He is a “righteous man, perfect in his generation. With God, Noah walked” (Genesis 6:9).

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Interesting how your own source mentions nothing about being underwater for a year...
In fact, you left out:

Equipped to handle drought, sub-zero temperatures, frost and even fire, olive trees are extraordinarily resilient. Their roots are so strong that they can re-grow even when it seems like they’ve been totally decimated.​

​

Howevr, this site does explain how merely overwatering an olive tree, whether in a pot or the ground, will definately kill the plant:

What happens if you overwater an olive tree? - Olive Grove Oundle

What happens if you overwater an olive tree? Olive trees are susceptible to overwatering. For olive tree care tips and advice, visit Olive Grove Oundle today.

www.olivegroveoundle.co.uk

I've seen experimental results of olive trees completely submerged that are completely dead by 3 months. No leaves or very few and certainly no fresh leaves for doves to snatch up.

 

[YoursTrue]

Interesting how your own source mentions nothing about being underwater for a year...
In fact, you left out:

Equipped to handle drought, sub-zero temperatures, frost and even fire, olive trees are extraordinarily resilient. Their roots are so strong that they can re-grow even when it seems like they’ve been totally decimated.​

​

Howevr, this site does explain how merely overwatering an olive tree, whether in a pot or the ground, will definately kill the plant:

What happens if you overwater an olive tree? - Olive Grove Oundle

What happens if you overwater an olive tree? Olive trees are susceptible to overwatering. For olive tree care tips and advice, visit Olive Grove Oundle today.

www.olivegroveoundle.co.uk

From what I understand there could have been branches floating that could be implanted naturally as the waters receded.

 

[McBell]

ALL the translations clearly state that ALL people and life died in a world flood.

um...
So what was the purpose of the Ark?

 

[McBell]

From what I understand there could have been branches floating that could be implanted naturally as the waters receded.

After a year of nothing to implant into?

 

[McBell]

I've seen experimental results of olive trees completely submerged that are completely dead by 3 months. No leaves or very few and certainly no fresh leaves for doves to snatch up.

I have heard tell that there were no salt water bodies until after the world wide flood.
It was all fresh water until the year of being underwater dissolved the salt and when the waters finally receded, the salt remained in the water.
thus the reason we have salt water bodies now.

 

[shunyadragon]

Hello. I know a large discussion has been about the amount of water as if it could not flood the entire earth. But I was reading that one cloud can hold over one million tons of water. Lots of water in one cloud. How Much Does a Cloud Weigh? | U.S. Geological Survey).

Not close to enough water for a world flood.

 

[shunyadragon]

It depends on which biblical version you prefer, since the KJV & OJB & YLT simply describe another river flood which was 15 cubits high. In contrast, other versions such as the NIV have zero credibility since they don't tell us the actual flood height.

None of the Biblical translations describe a river flood. Actually, the Gilgamesh version does not either. The reason why it is considered a flood of the Tigris Euphrates Valley is because geologically the catastrophic event can be dated to reflect the first written narrative.

ALL the translations describe a world flood and three different Rabbis agree,

 

[shunyadragon]

I have heard tell that there were no salt water bodies until after the world wide flood.
It was all fresh water until the year of being underwater dissolved the salt and when the waters finally receded, the salt remained in the water.
thus the reason we have salt water bodies now.

I heard tell?!?!?! Pinocchio's nose is getting longer.