GoodAttention
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They do not need it. They can live just as comfortably in a Himalayan cave. That is what Modi is going to do once he is not the Prime Minister of India.
I will gladly pay for his Wifi so he can teach my daily yoga
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Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
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I will gladly pay for his Wifi so he can teach my daily yoga
GoodAttention
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Are you thinking same as me?
Mica. Or sheets of mica to be exact.
In addition to the colors of powdered mica also?
GoodAttention
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We they not, specifically, "men of renown" or men of a historical nature?
This is how they are introduced in the scripture, yes?
"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days"
Ehav4Ever
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There are a number of commentaries state that they were historical people of a certain generation. Yet, it is up for debate at what point of history is being discussed. I.e. there are some Jewish sources that take into that this could have been before recorded history. At least recorded history in terms of alphabetic writing systems. Maybe in regards to cave paintings one may find that this could be the period. The main lesson that a Jew can get out of the Torah on this point is about leadership and what can affect it.
GoodAttention
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That is why I believe the description of "remember" or "memory" is important here, since we know, according to the scriptures, there was a time when man was not behaving as he should have.
Cave paintings is interesting, and perhaps such paintings contain still ALL the colors of the rainbow ...
Stand tall when you fear the Lord, so you, and any memory of you, will disappear and be replaced by the righteous ones, if you fall.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
No. I did not know this. I am using Search engines and dictionaries for Tamil, though my sister-in-law is a Tamil brahmin from Madurai. She was the first non-Kashmiri bride in our family some fifty years ago. Dark in skin-color but sweet of face, while my brother was very fair, qualified and handsome. Did his parents objected to his marriage? Yes, they did. But what could they do when (as we say in North India), "Miya-Bibi Razi, To Kya Karega Kazi". Music connected them. She adjusted nicely in our family, has two daughters.
What I want to say that the word 'Om' does not exist in RigVeda, though it exists in other Vedas and ancillary books (Upanishads, etc.). It could be a loan-word from Tamil. Gayatri mantra has no 'Om Bhuh Bhuvah Swah' in RigVeda. It is simply:
"Tat savituh vareniyam, bhargo devasya dhimahi, dhiyo yo nah prachodayat"
(Aup.'s translation: "That adorable deity, let us meditate on his luster, may he make our intelligence brilliant")
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 3: HYMN LXII. Indra and Others., verse 10
Of course, the apologists say that it is necessary. But I go only by RigVeda.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
They are not Yoga teachers. Their Yoga is service to the country.I will gladly pay for his Wifi so he can teach my daily yoga
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Pharaohs were not interested in mica. What they needed most was good quality stone for their pyramids, which could last for millenniums.
River Sea
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@Aupmanyav I'll use the word merged from now on.
@GoodAttention Never once did I claim master race. Aryans does not mean master race.
@GoodAttention
The word Aryans does not mean master race. Not once did I claim anyone as master race.
GoodAttention
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Fifty years ago it must have been the magic of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and her bi-colored hair!
How do you refer to the wife of your brother? In Tamil language there are many variations, too many to count.
In Tamil culture what is also interesting is avunculate marriage, but only between a woman's younger brother and her daughter. I am not sure of the prevalence today, but I mention it to see if this is also present in North India, and to make comparison with Nahor marrying his brother's daughter.
Interesting notes, I will need to educate myself further. There is much to learn.
GoodAttention
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I agree 100%, it is what the German Nazis did with their "theories" and belief system RiverSea.
Master race - Wikipedia
This is dangerous thinking, and humanity must remember why the world fought against this in the 1940s.
paarsurrey
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Evidence that Ivrim, Benei Yisrael, Yehudim, and Modern day Jews do not descend from Yadavas farmers
@GoodAttention Never once did I claim master race. Aryans does not mean master race.
Also the name Sanskrit-speaking invaders of India gave themselves in the ancient texts. Thus it was the word early 19c. European philologists (Friedrich Schlegel, 1819, who linked it with German Ehre "honor") applied to the ancient people we now call Indo-Europeans, suspecting that this is what they called themselves. This use is attested in English from 1851. In German from 1845 it was specifically contrasted to Semitic (Lassen).
German philologist Max Müller (1823-1900) popularized Aryan in his writings on comparative linguistics, recommending it as the name (replacing Indo-European, Indo-Germanic, Caucasian, Japhetic) for the group of related, inflected languages connected with these peoples, mostly found in Europe but also including Sanskrit and Persian. The spelling Arian was used in this sense from 1839 (and is more philologically correct), but it caused confusion with Arian, the term in ecclesiastical history.
also from c. 1600
late 14c., Arrian, "adhering to the doctrines of Arius," from Late Latin Arianus, "pertaining to the doctrines of Arius," priest in Alexandria early 4c., who posed the question of Christ's nature in terms which appeared to debase the Savior's relation to God (denial of consubstantiation). Besides taking an abstract view of Christ's nature, he reaffirmed man's capacity for perfection. The doctrines were condemned at Nice, 325, but the dissension was widespread and split the Church for about a century during the crucial time of barbarian conversions. The name is Greek, literally "warlike, of Ares."
Caucasian (adj.)
1807, of or pertaining to the Caucasus Mountains (q.v.), with -ian. Applied to the "white" race 1795 (in Latin) by German anthropologist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach (1752-1840), who in his pioneering treatise on anthropology distinguished mankind into five races: Mongolian, Ethiopian, Malay, (Native) American, and Caucasian. In the last group he included nearly all Europeans (except Lapps and Finns), Armenians, Persians, and Hindus, as well as Arabs and Jews. His attempt at division was based on physical similarities in skulls.
Indo-European
Right?
Regards
@Aupmanyav I'll use the word merged from now on.
@GoodAttention Never once did I claim master race. Aryans does not mean master race.
I give etymology of the word "Aryan", please, right?:
Aryan
c. 1600, as a term in classical history, from Latin Arianus, Ariana, from Greek Aria, Areia, names applied in classical times to the eastern part of ancient Persia and to its inhabitants. Ancient Persians used the name in reference to themselves (Old Persian ariya-), hence Iran. Ultimately from Sanskrit arya- "compatriot;" in later language "noble, of good family."Also the name Sanskrit-speaking invaders of India gave themselves in the ancient texts. Thus it was the word early 19c. European philologists (Friedrich Schlegel, 1819, who linked it with German Ehre "honor") applied to the ancient people we now call Indo-Europeans, suspecting that this is what they called themselves. This use is attested in English from 1851. In German from 1845 it was specifically contrasted to Semitic (Lassen).
German philologist Max Müller (1823-1900) popularized Aryan in his writings on comparative linguistics, recommending it as the name (replacing Indo-European, Indo-Germanic, Caucasian, Japhetic) for the group of related, inflected languages connected with these peoples, mostly found in Europe but also including Sanskrit and Persian. The spelling Arian was used in this sense from 1839 (and is more philologically correct), but it caused confusion with Arian, the term in ecclesiastical history.
Aryan was gradually replaced in comparative linguistics c. 1900 by Indo-European, except when used to distinguish Indo-European languages of India from non-Indo-European ones. From the 1920s Aryan began to be used in Nazi ideology to mean "member of a Caucasian Gentile race of Nordic type." As an ethnic designation, however, it is properly limited to Indo-Iranians (most justly to the latter) and has fallen from general academic use since the Nazis adopted it.
also from c. 1600
Entries linking to Aryan
Arian (adj.)late 14c., Arrian, "adhering to the doctrines of Arius," from Late Latin Arianus, "pertaining to the doctrines of Arius," priest in Alexandria early 4c., who posed the question of Christ's nature in terms which appeared to debase the Savior's relation to God (denial of consubstantiation). Besides taking an abstract view of Christ's nature, he reaffirmed man's capacity for perfection. The doctrines were condemned at Nice, 325, but the dissension was widespread and split the Church for about a century during the crucial time of barbarian conversions. The name is Greek, literally "warlike, of Ares."
Caucasian (adj.)
1807, of or pertaining to the Caucasus Mountains (q.v.), with -ian. Applied to the "white" race 1795 (in Latin) by German anthropologist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach (1752-1840), who in his pioneering treatise on anthropology distinguished mankind into five races: Mongolian, Ethiopian, Malay, (Native) American, and Caucasian. In the last group he included nearly all Europeans (except Lapps and Finns), Armenians, Persians, and Hindus, as well as Arabs and Jews. His attempt at division was based on physical similarities in skulls.
"The word has long since been abandoned as a historical/anthropological term." Compare Aryan.
Indo-European
Right?
Regards
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GoodAttention
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Ah yes, I got ahead of myself there. Confused it with the Mesoamerican structures.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Good attention, good to have met you, you are a knowledgeable person.
My brother is younger to me, so I used to address her by name. Alas she is no more. For elder sisters-in-law, we normally use 'Bhabhi' or variations of it.
That is strictly prohibited in North India. Actually, even to marry a second cousin, we need to use special provisions of law. The boy and the girl must be at least three generations apart for marriage. It even leads to murders in North Indian villages. Yeah, 'avunculate' marriages are permitted and happen in South India.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Paarsurrey, Arrian is completely different from Aryan. No connection at all.
Well, all people have mixed ancesteries. all humans have red blood just like animals (except these five), no one has 'blue blood'. Blumenbach was wrong.
GoodAttention
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Eliana
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Great...
A polytheist non-Jew is here to tell us what is and isn't Orthodox.
Everybody act cool!
GoodAttention
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At best I am monolatrous your honour, and I deny proselytizing of any nature.
One only needs to read the transcript of this thread to know I am not here to define what is, or isn't, Orthodox Judaism.
If I am guilty, then all I will say is chazak chazak v’nitchazek!
Addition: In Tamil the phrase is enough! enough! you have cried long enough!
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Very interesting, even if a bit contrived. Sure, Orion was the Great God to Aryans too - Prajapati, Lord of the people (Sometime around 3,000 BCE).
The sacred thread that Hindus and Zoroastrians wear, is a homage to Orion, imitating Orion's belt.
"Yajnopavitam paramam pavitram, prajapatyeryat sahajam purastad" (North Indian spelling of the Sanskrit mantra)
(Yajnopavita is very sacred, it was born with the Prajapati of the old)
For Zoroastrians:
"Fra te mazdao barat pourvanimairvyaonghanem stehar-paesanghem mainyu-tastem vanghuhim daenam Mazdayasnim"
(Forth has Mazda borne to thee, the star bespangled girdle, the spirit made, the ancient one, of Mazda-Yasnianian faith)
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