Evidence That Jesus Is God

[BilliardsBall]

So what do you do with scripture wherein Jesus himself makes a clear distinction between god and himself? Verses such as Matthew 27:46 where it says:

"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?”​

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You mean, where Jesus again, as He had numerous times in the Passion Week, quoted scripture as a prophetic hint?

Hints, Allegories, and Mysteries: The New Testament Quotes the Old | Bible.org

 

[BilliardsBall]

And totally meaningless.

How is it meaningless that the Messiah Jesus is eternal, never created?

 

[JJ50]

How is it meaningless that the Messiah Jesus is eternal, never created?

NOT CREDIBLE!

 

[THE Art Vandelay]

There are countless verses showing Jesus is God, consider the prophecies for example, that the Messiah is ETERNAL, not created (Micah 5, Isaiah 9).

There are ZERO verses showing Jesus to be God. The evidence that he is not comes from his own recorded words acknowledging his lesser position in relation to God, his own apostles recognizing him not to be God but God's SON, and the scriptures showing that Jesus was the very first - and only - creative work done directly by God.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

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Looking through the Bible the closest thing I could find is that at most Jesus was the son of god. In fact, several times Jesus made a distinction between god and himself. (The notion that he was one of "three coeternal consubstantial persons" wasn't finally formulated until 381AD.)
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All you have is the Christian Scriptures (what you call the New Testament). You ASSUME these are without error. It's quite an assumption. I don't make that same mistake. It is just as absurd to believe a man is god as to believe a rock or tree or river or idol is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All you have is the Christian Scriptures (what you call the New Testament). You ASSUME these are without error. It's quite an assumption. I don't make that same mistake. It is just as absurd to believe a man is god as to believe a rock or tree or river or idol is.

I can see that you forgot that in this matter @Skwim agrees with you.

 

[BilliardsBall]

There are ZERO verses showing Jesus to be God. The evidence that he is not comes from his own recorded words acknowledging his lesser position in relation to God, his own apostles recognizing him not to be God but God's SON, and the scriptures showing that Jesus was the very first - and only - creative work done directly by God.

There are zero verses showing Jesus is the Father. There are numerous verses showing Jesus is God, for example, He is higher then men and angels, He is without genealogy or superior like Melchizedek, He was with the Jews when they were baptized in the Sea as their Rock, He is ancient though born in Bethlehem, He is the eternal God who is the Prince of Peace, etc., etc., etc.

 

[THE Art Vandelay]

There are zero verses showing Jesus is the Father. There are numerous verses showing Jesus is God, for example, He is higher then men and angels, He is without genealogy or superior like Melchizedek, He was with the Jews when they were baptized in the Sea as their Rock, He is ancient though born in Bethlehem, He is the eternal God who is the Prince of Peace, etc., etc., etc.

Correct and yet incorrect at the same time. Jesus is NOT the father, nor did he claim to be (same with those claiming Jesus to be God). Jesus being higher than men and angels doesn't make him God. It simply shows his ranking as the second highest being in the universe, next to God himself.

 

[Desert Snake]

Correct and yet incorrect at the same time. Jesus is NOT the father, nor did he claim to be (same with those claiming Jesus to be God). Jesus being higher than men and angels doesn't make him God. It simply shows his ranking as the second highest being in the universe, next to God himself.

1 Corinthians 8:6
2 Corinthians 6:18
Matthew 22:37

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In other words, your reading is actually an interpretation, not direct names & words inference.

 

[Desert Snake]

There are verses with variable meaning, when read without other verse comparison, like

'God hath made Jesus'...
Now, does this mean,
• God is a separate Being, who made a sparate Being
• Jesus is God, in Spirit form, thusly incarnated Himself
• there is a binitarian nature in which Jesus is a separate aspect of God

Then, there are verses that when read together, there is no variable meaning, such as
1 Corinthians 8:6
[There is only one Lord, Jesus Christ
2 Corinthians 6:18
[Lord Almighty
Matthew 22:37
[Lord your God

Thusly, there is no way to read these verses, and not derive, that Jesus is the Lord, there is only one Lord, He is the Almighty, and it's He who is the God, of the Believers.
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Hence, Jesus, is the 'same God', as who the Believers consider, their God, who is the Lord.
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You will note that if one says, 'j-sua isn't g-d', then actually, they are saying, neither is the Tetragrammaton, going by the Bible.
This then means that verses that might be a variable interpretation, must conform, to the fact that Jesus is called the Lord, who is God.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Correct and yet incorrect at the same time. Jesus is NOT the father, nor did he claim to be (same with those claiming Jesus to be God). Jesus being higher than men and angels doesn't make him God. It simply shows his ranking as the second highest being in the universe, next to God himself.

What should we call "the second highest being" as a term, ranking or definition, who is NOT God, NOT an angel, NOT a mere man?

 

[THE Art Vandelay]

What should we call "the second highest being" as a term, ranking or definition, who is NOT God, NOT an angel, NOT a mere man?

Just that....Jesus is second highest next to God himself.

 

[THE Art Vandelay]

1 Corinthians 8:6
2 Corinthians 6:18
Matthew 22:37
In other words, your reading is actually an interpretation, not direct names & words inference.

Not at all. For example, Revelation 3:14 describes Jesus as being "the beginning of the creation by God". Colossians 1:15 refers to him as the firstborn "of all creation", thus associating him with things that were created. None of the verses you mentioned in any way, shape, or form imply or state that Jesus is God. 1 Corinthians 8:6 clearly separates God from Christ, 2 Corinthians 6:18 is God speaking (not Jesus), and Matthew 22:37 is merely Jesus answering the man's question that the greatest commandment is to love God whole heart, soul, and mind.

 

[Muffled]

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Looking through the Bible the closest thing I could find is that at most Jesus was the son of god. In fact, several times Jesus made a distinction between god and himself. (The notion that he was one of "three coeternal consubstantial persons" wasn't finally formulated until 381AD.)
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I believe the way this phrase is used indicates that He is God but there are many more verses where He is equated with God.

I believe that is a false doctrine of the Trinity instead of a correct one.

I believe the church was learning to understand scripture and many people made mistakes along the way. I myself keep learning new things as the Holy Spirit leads me into new understandings of things that I have read.

 

[Muffled]

He was no sort of god, just a human with faults like the rest of us.

I believe you have zilch for evidence to back up that statement.

 

[Muffled]

The Bible does not say that Jesus was God.
Jesus never claimed to be God.
It was Christians who formulated the doctrine that Jesus was God.

Did the Jews Accuse Jesus of Claiming to Be “God” or “a God”?

May 28, 2014 by Kermit Zarley2 Comments

The Gospel of John relates one incident in which the Jews accused Jesus of “making himself equal to God” and another incident in which they said to him, “you, though only a human being, are making yourself God” (Jn 5.18; 10.33). (All scripture quotations are from the NRSV.) Since Christians have been taught that Jesus is God, they have been taught that these Jews were correct in making these accusations. But in each instance, Jesus’ immediate response represents a denial of those allegations (Jn 5.19-46; 10.34-38). In the second incident, did they charge Jesus with making himself “God,” as has been traditionally translated, or “a god”? In the Greek text of Jn 10.33, the word for “God,” theos, does not have the article, thus making it “a god.” But English Bibles don’t translate it that way. Versions with “God’s Son” include the NIV, NRSV, NEB, and versions with “the Son of God” include KJV, NASB, ESV.

The first incident, in Jn 5.1-9, was precipitated by Jesus healing a man on the Sabbath. Then we read, “the Jews started persecuting Jesus because he was doing such things on the sabbath. But Jesus answered them, ‘My Father is still working, and I also am working’” (vv. 16-17). Thus, Jesus here calls God his Father, as he so often did, and he implicitly identifies his work as the Father’s work. Then we read, “For this reason the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because he was not only breaking the sabbath, but was calling God his own Father, thereby making himself equal to God” (v. 18)……

In the second incident, in which the Jews accused Jesus of “making yourself God” (Jn 10.33), the Greek text has theos without the article. Ordinarily, this would be translated “a god” rather than “God.” But because most translators believe Jesus is God, they have translated it “God” rather than “a god.”

What precipitated this accusation by the Jews, in Jn 10.33? They asked Jesus to tell them plainly if he was the Messiah (Jn 10.24). He replied that he had already done so. He added that his miracles, which he had done in his Father’s name, testify to who he is (v. 25). He further added that his Father had given him his disciples, to whom he gives eternal life, and no one can snatch them out of both his hand and the Father’s hand (vv. 28-29). He concluded, “The Father and I are one” (v. 30). Some church fathers asserted that Jesus’ word “one” (Greek hen) was a claim to be of the same essence as that of the Father. On the contrary, Jesus meant he and the Father were unified in their relationship and work………

To sum, Jesus’ interlocutors in Jn 10.33 more likely accused him of making himself out to be a god rather than the God of Israel. And Jesus likely responded by calling himself “a son of God” in parallel to Ps 82 from which he quoted. Nevertheless, Jesus is “the Son of God” par excellence, and a huge majority of the huios texts applied to Jesus in the Greek New Testament so identify him.

Did the Jews Accuse Jesus of Claiming to Be “God” or “a God”?

(To see a titled list of over fifty, two-three page posts (easily accessible) about the Bible not saying Jesus is God, click here.)

I believe it does so that means you don't understand the Bible or you wouldn't make that statement.

 

[Skwim]

I believe that is a false doctrine of the Trinity instead of a correct one.
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What is a correct doctrine of the Trinity?

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[cataway]

You seem quite ignorant of the fact that angels are not confined to any one place. They behold the face of the Father in heaven and yet are moving about the earth invisible to man's eye.

angles ?? what page are you on ? maybe your not even in the same book

 

[Faithofchristian]

Jesus Christ is not God the Father, Jesus is the Son of God.
God the Father is greater than Jesus Christ because God is greater than anyone.
We know that because Jesus said so.

Let's take a closer look at this.

Jesus did say, "The Father is greater than I"

While Jesus was here on earth,
Jesus was of flesh and blood.

Therefore Jesus being of flesh and blood,
The Father is greater than Jesus being of flesh and blood.

Therefore Jesus is the Father,
The Father is greater than Jesus being of flesh and blood.

God the Father made himself a body of flesh and blood to come down here on earth in.
That body is Jesus Christ.

Therefore Jesus Christ is God the Father.

Thereby God the Father is greater than Jesus being of flesh and blood.

 

[JJ50]

Let's take a closer look at this.

Jesus did say, "The Father is greater than I"

While Jesus was here on earth,
Jesus was of flesh and blood.

Therefore Jesus being of flesh and blood,
The Father is greater than Jesus being of flesh and blood.

Therefore Jesus is the Father,
The Father is greater than Jesus being of flesh and blood.

God the Father made himself a body of flesh and blood to come down here on earth in.
That body is Jesus Christ.

Therefore Jesus Christ is God the Father.

Thereby God the Father is greater than Jesus being of flesh and blood.

A mere belief not a fact.