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Evidence That Jesus Is God

THE Art Vandelay

THE Art Vandelay

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LightofTruth said:
To be in company with jesus it would be hard not to think he was "God with us". In a representative sense.
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In a sense you're correct. To have seen Jesus, who was the very representation (or representative) of God, would be like seeing God because of how closely Jesus imitated his father. The phrase "like father, like son" appropriately fits their relationship.
 
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JJ50

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THE Art Vandelay said:
In a sense you're correct. To have seen Jesus, who was the very representation (or representative) of God, would be like seeing God because of how closely Jesus imitated his father. The phrase "like father, like son" appropriately fits their relationship.
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Only in the human imagination, imo.
 
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susanblange

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Trailblazer said:
Hmmmmmm.... that opens up a whole different can of worms. :eek:
How do you define heaven? Do you think heaven is a place, a geographical location?

The Bible does not really define heaven very well, does it?
Jesus said that there were many mansions in His Father's house. I think that refers to heaven.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

What do you think that means? I think it means there are many different *levels* to which we will gravitate in heaven depending upon our worthiness.

But where do you think God is? I would guess that God is at the highest level, and we know from scripture that Jesus is at God's Right Hand, meaning He is as close to God as one can be.
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There are three levels of both Heaven and Hell. The death of the spirit can be instant, you can spend time in Hell, or as in the case of Satan, you could rot forever in Hell, but only Satan will experience this. Deuteronomy 32:22, Psalm 86:13, Psalm 88:6. The three levels of Heaven are where the archangels reside and are always in the presence of God, middle level are where most angels are and are in the presence of God on Shabbat and holidays, lower level angels are those who have been forgiven but will forever live in infamy of what they've done and they will be resurrected to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2. They are only in the presence of God on Yom Kippur.
 
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susanblange

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Trailblazer said:
So do you think that bodies will rise out of graves and live forever on earth? Where in the Bible does it say that?
What do you think heaven is?

I don't really know. As far as I know, just humans, but there might be animals.
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You normally have to have a human spirit to go to Heaven but it's possible that animals can go there. Also, humans can only be reincarnated as other humans.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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susanblange said:
You normally have to have a human spirit to go to Heaven but it's possible that animals can go there. Also, humans can only be reincarnated as other humans.
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What do you mean by that statement "humans can only be reincarnated as other humans"? I ask to clarify. :)
 
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susanblange

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JJ50 said:
I find it hard to understand how anyone can give that crazy book of Revelation a second glance. I reckon the author was stoned out of his mind when he concocted it.
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John, the author of Revelation, was in the throws of a psychotic episode when he wrote the book of Revelation. It is total nonsense.
 
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JJ50

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susanblange said:
John, the author of Revelation, was in the throws of a psychotic episode when he wrote the book of Revelation. It is total nonsense.
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How do you know, you never met the guy, unless you have time machine? The book is crazy, so it would appear either the writer was having a 'larf', drunk or on a substance which would be illegal here in the UK, imo.
 
THE Art Vandelay

THE Art Vandelay

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susanblange said:
You normally have to have a human spirit to go to Heaven but it's possible that animals can go there. Also, humans can only be reincarnated as other humans.
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No, it isn't possible for animals to go to heaven. There is nothing in the scriptures to suggest that animals, like humans, have the possibility of heavenly life extended to them.
 
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JJ50

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susanblange said:
Humans cannot be reincarnated as animals, or other creatures. God has been incarnated and angels can be reincarnated, it's their choice.
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Humans are an animal species. There is no evidence any god exists, if it out there somewhere, why is it in hiding?
 
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susanblange

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LightofTruth said:
He will be a leader of the Jewish people. He will claim for himself to be God and set up the abomination that makes desolate in the Temple. he will cause people to worship that image and persecute all who do not.


God's people are still the Jewish people. They are still in covenant with Him under the laws.
The saints who will be raised are not judged, but instead will judge the world with Christ.



The defeat of the nations will come by the 144,000 who refused to worship the beast and his image. They are not immortalized saints but mortal believers in Christ. The immortalized saints work behind the visible



First there will be the resurrection of the faithful, then their coming with Jesus to execute God's judgments.
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There will be three judgments by God. The first is VWD Day. It stands for Vengeance, Wrath, and Destruction and all the Messiah's enemies will be cut off by fire. Psalm 37:20, Psalm 97:3. The second is Judgment Day when all the wicked on the earth will be cut off by fire, Isaiah 24:6. The last is the Day of Decision when the heathen/idolaters will be cut off by fire. Joel 3. About 100 million people will be left on earth to witness the resurrection on the mount of Olives. Daniel 7:10
 
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JJ50

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syo said:
Is there a teaching of Jesus that you reject??? I think, the man spoke nothing but the truth.
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Some of the things he was supposed to have said were sensible, but then most humans say some sensible things from time to time.
 
syo

syo

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JJ50 said:
Some of the things he was supposed to have said were sensible, but then most humans say some sensible things from time to time.
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True. But people also speak stupid. Jesus was not a common man. If he was, he'd also spoke stupid.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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susanblange said:
Humans cannot be reincarnated as animals, or other creatures. God has been incarnated and angels can be reincarnated, it's their choice.
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You know I have never heard this philosophy. Is this part of a certain religion or an idea like Buddhism? Sorry I am clarifying because this is honestly the first time someone has said this. Because I know for a fact that in 550 stories of the Buddhas previous lives (Pansiya Panas Jathaka) he has been a monkey. So I know this is not the Buddhist teaching so im curious to know where you come from (obviously not the geographical area).

Thanks in advance.
 
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