Evidence That Jesus Is God

[THE Art Vandelay]

Your statement makes the Christian Orthodox angry.
But seriously, in Christianity, Jesus MUST be God. Otherwise, the religion would not make sense.

Well, as a Christian, I know that Jesus isn't God nor does he need to be. And Christianity makes perfect sense without twisting it up to include the "Jesus is God" nonsense.

 

[firedragon]

True. But people also speak stupid. Jesus was not a common man. If he was, he'd also spoke stupid.

Errm. I doubt that is a good enough argument bro.

 

[susanblange]

Many people try to add their own ideas into the Bible. For example, a great majority in Christianity has concluded the Papacy as the whore of Revelation when the Bible specifically says that Jerusalem and her people are the whore.

Your beliefs about the whore conflict with biblical theology. The NT is not part of the Bible, it is the doctrine of Lucifer and Satan. Job 31:35. The Vatican is modern day Babylon and Jesus is its leader. Isaiah 14, Isaiah 47:1-3. Rome is a city that was built on seven hills. Revelation 17:9. The God of Israel will utterly reject Christian theology. Jeremiah 51:26.

 

[syo]

Errm. I doubt that is a good enough argument bro.

There is a myth in paganism, that humans have two hands, so that they do goodness with one hand and evilness with the other hand. It means people are two-faced.

 

[THE Art Vandelay]

Your beliefs about the whore conflict with biblical theology.

As does your own. Nothing you said makes any sense. The entire Bible is inspired by God, including both the OT and NT. The "whore of Babylon" is the entire world conglomeration of false religion, with Christendom being the main part.

 

[firedragon]

There is a myth in paganism, that humans have two hands, so that they do goodness with one hand and evilness with the other hand. It means people are two-faced.

The left and right hand metaphor is actual language. Its so common that when you say right hand people dont even think of the actual right hand. Depends on the context of the sentence. And you are absolutely right.

 

[susanblange]

No, it isn't possible for animals to go to heaven. There is nothing in the scriptures to suggest that animals, like humans, have the possibility of heavenly life extended to them.

According to prophecy, the Messiah would have a pet that is both rare and common, wandered from the north, is female and barren, white and grey in color, has blue eyes, and its name started out as Charlie, then Barley, Barleycorn, Corn, and Cornus, and that stuck. This animal was a cat and according to the prophecy, she was supposed to go to Heaven.

 

[THE Art Vandelay]

According to prophecy, the Messiah would have a pet that is both rare and common, wandered from the north, is female and barren, white and grey in color, has blue eyes, and its name started out as Charlie, then Barley, Barleycorn, Corn, and Cornus, and that stuck. This animal was a cat and according to the prophecy, she was supposed to go to Heaven.

There's no such prophecy as that found anywhere in the Bible.

 

[susanblange]

You know I have never heard this philosophy. Is this part of a certain religion or an idea like Buddhism? Sorry I am clarifying because this is honestly the first time someone has said this. Because I know for a fact that in 550 stories of the Buddhas previous lives (Pansiya Panas Jathaka) he has been a monkey. So I know this is not the Buddhist teaching so im curious to know where you come from (obviously not the geographical area).

Thanks in advance.

I am not a member of any established religion. I practice my own flavor of Judaism and I call it "Biblical Judaism". Most of my theology and doctrine is original. I believe in reincarnation because I know of seven people who have been reincarnated. They are Elijah, Gabriel, Michael, David, Deborah, Adam, and Jesus.

 

[susanblange]

There's no such prophecy as that found anywhere in the Bible.

You're right, it's not in the Bible. It's in a book that was not canonized and it is part of the oral tradition. There are a whole lot of messianic prophecies that are not in the Bible. I know about most of them, but not all of them. I was told these prophecies in Church when I was about twelve years old. I also did not think about them until they were fulfilled.

 

[firedragon]

I am not a member of any established religion. I practice my own flavor of Judaism and I call it "Biblical Judaism". Most of my theology and doctrine is original. I believe in reincarnation because I know of seven people who have been reincarnated. They are Elijah, Gabriel, Michael, David, Deborah, Adam, and Jesus.

I am intrigued. Sorry if I am being irrelevant to the thread. Are you from a Jewish background or a Christian background? When you say Biblical Judaism do you also adopt the New Testament? What kind of Christology do you believe in if you do believe Jesus was not just a normal man but a prophet or God himself?

How do you know that these people were reincarnated?

 

[susanblange]

Humans are an animal species. There is no evidence any god exists, if it out there somewhere, why is it in hiding?

It says in the Bible that the God of Israel is in hiding. I think this is mainly because she was publicly humiliated 36 years ago. But some good came out of that. She ended the Cold War, the Civil War in Ireland, she restored pride to the US military, and in 1988 she began to get the Jews out of Russia. 1984 was 'the acceptable year of the Lord". Isaiah 61:2.

 

[JJ50]

It says in the Bible that the God of Israel is in hiding. I think this is mainly because she was publicly humiliated 36 years ago. But some good came out of that. She ended the Cold War, the Civil War in Ireland, she restored pride to the US military, and in 1988 she began to get the Jews out of Russia. 1984 was 'the acceptable year of the Lord". Isaiah 61:2.

Ehhhhhhhhhhh?

 

[susanblange]

I am intrigued. Sorry if I am being irrelevant to the thread. Are you from a Jewish background or a Christian background? When you say Biblical Judaism do you also adopt the New Testament? What kind of Christology do you believe in if you do believe Jesus was not just a normal man but a prophet or God himself?

How do you know that these people were reincarnated?

I was raised Christian but I converted to Judaism 36 years ago. I do not believe in Christian theology, but I do believe in Jesus' second coming. He used to be a neighbor and a friend of mine. There is a prophecy that says the Messiah would live for a short time around the corner from where she used to live and the roommate was the reincarnation of an idol. I remember when I was told that prophecy, I said it was Buddah. It's not Buddah, it's Jesus. I personally know all of these reincarnated people.

 

[firedragon]

I was raised Christian but I converted to Judaism 36 years ago. I do not believe in Christian theology, but I do believe in Jesus' second coming. He used to be a neighbor and a friend of mine. There is a prophecy that says the Messiah would live for a short time around the corner from where she used to live and the roommate was the reincarnation of an idol. I remember when I was told that prophecy, I said it was Buddah. It's not Buddah, it's Jesus. I personally know all of these reincarnated people.

Thats amazing. So your theology is based on your personal experience. Thats what you are saying. Anyway, 36 years a Jewish convert is a long time so you should be having a lot of experience.

Im also interested in knowing where the prophecy about the Buddha is written if you dont mind.

 

[susanblange]

Thats amazing. So your theology is based on your personal experience. Thats what you are saying. Anyway, 36 years a Jewish convert is a long time so you should be having a lot of experience.

Im also interested in knowing where the prophecy about the Buddha is written if you dont mind.

There are a lot of gods in the world, one of them is Buddah. The God of Israel considers them idols. An idol is the physical representation of a (dead) god or other instrument of worship, like a cross. But there is some Truth in Buddhism, like reincarnation, and I practice an eclectic mix of the Truth found in all religions.

 

[firedragon]

There are a lot of gods in the world, one of them is Buddah. The God of Israel considers them idols. An idol is the physical representation of a (dead) god or other instrument of worship, like a cross. But there is some Truth in Buddhism, like reincarnation, and I practice an eclectic mix of the Truth found in all religions.

Thanks for taking time to respond to my ignorant questions. Really appreciate it. Hope you have a great day and of course a million more ahead. Cheers.

 

[Skwim]

Actually in John 14:9, Jesus speaking. saying --- "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how sayest you then, Show us the Father"

Well it's evidence here, what Jesus is implying that he is God the Father.

With all due respect read the verse above. But slowly. Take the time to grasp every word that Jesus is saying.

And yet in Matthew 27:46 Jesus also said, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" making a clear distinction between god and himself.

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[Skwim]

Both Jesus and his apostles identified him as divine. The Apostle Peter described Jesus as “our God and Savior” (2 Peter 1:1; cf. Titus 2:13) and called on believers to “honor Christ the Lord as holy” (1 Peter 3:15).18 Jesus’ own half-brother James, who was an unbeliever at first (John 7:5), described him as “the Lord of glory” (James 2:1; cf. 1 Corinthians 2:8; Psalm 24:7–8). What man or prophet could be described in this way? The Apostle John also attributed titles to Jesus that were used only of God by describing him as the “Alpha and Omega” and the “first and the last” (Revelation 22:13; 1:8, 17–18; cf. Isaiah 44:6). The writer of the book of Hebrews also has insight into the identity of Jesus In Hebrews 1, the author identifies Jesus (the Son) as superior to any prophet (vv. 1–2), above the angels (v. 5), worthy of our worship (vv. 6–8; cf. Psalm 45:6–7), and the creator of all things who is unchangeable (vv. 2–3, 10; cf. Psalm 102:25). The author of Hebrews further states that Jesus is “seated at the right hand of the throne of God” (Hebrews 12:2; cf. Acts 2:30).

The early believers were JEWISH, and Jewish prayer is something that should be addressed to God alone, but Jesus calls his disciples to pray to him (John 14:13–14; 16:26). In the book of Acts when Stephen is being stoned to death, he calls out to the Lord Jesus to receive his sprit (Acts 7:59). Interestingly, the term for “calling on” (epikaloumenon) recalls the appeal of Peter to the people in Acts 2:21 to “call on” (epikaleshtai) the Lord to be saved. Paul also describes the Corinthians as those who “call upon [epikaleo] the name of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 1:2). In the Old Testament, people “called on” on the name of Yahweh (Joel 2:32). The Corinthians were people who addressed Jesus as Lord in prayer.

So what do you do with scripture wherein Jesus himself makes a clear distinction between god and himself? Verses such as Matthew 27:46 where it says:

"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?”​

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[THE Art Vandelay]

There are a lot of gods in the world, one of them is Buddah. The God of Israel considers them idols. An idol is the physical representation of a (dead) god or other instrument of worship, like a cross. But there is some Truth in Buddhism, like reincarnation, and I practice an eclectic mix of the Truth found in all religions.

Reincarnation isn't truth at all. It's fantasy and fiction.