Evil Is the Essence of Everything That Exists.

[CynthiaCypher]

Again, not buying it.

Just like a person whose doctor just told them they have terminal cancer. Ever read Elisabeth Kubler Ross? She believed that when faced with certain death we go through stages of grief, you like most people are in the stage of denial, I just happen to be in the stage of acceptance.

Kübler-Ross model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Just like a person whose doctor just told them they have terminal cancer. Ever read Elisabeth Kubler Ross? She believed that when faced with certain death we go through stages of grief, you like most people are in the stage of denial, I just happen to be in the stage of acceptance.

Kübler-Ross model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You do realize the "you're just in denial" argument is equivalent to a child saying "nuh-uh", I hope.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

That still wouldn't bode well for us either.

I would think, though, that if God is evil, and God is everything, we would be wiped out almost immediately. Wouldn't you?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

You do realize the "you're just in denial" argument is equivalent to a child saying "nuh-uh", I hope.

How so? The world is ******, that is the truth. How is telling people those who deny that truth that they are in denial equivalent to a child saying "nuh-uh"? Facts are facts, I thought you appreciated reality, even if that reality is harsh.

Most people just do not want to face the fact that we live in a world where very bad things happen and we are powerless against it, that is denial.

 

[Sir Doom]

I know that sounds bleak.

I believe that this universe's essence is it's Creator, the substance of the universe is the Demiurge. Every atom and electron, every molecule or chemical compound, all of life, human and animal is informed by the Demiurge. All that of which is matter and all of that which is energy is the manifestation of God's being.

This is basically pantheism...but I also happen to believe God is evil and imperfect and since God is evil and imperfect so is God's creation. And that include us, in fact while I believe that God is the possibility, the potential and will of evil, I believe that every single human being living on this planet is the actualization of evil.

It also means we are the actualization of all the other things like evil. Such as good, for example.

I don't think that God is utterly evil, I think God is more of a mediocre and inept sort of being and that is probably why the majority of the human race is mediocre and inept, because we are accurately reflecting our Creator, who is a banal sort of evil. But I also believe that the Creator has a "shadow" side of himself that he is in contention with and wishes to destroy because he is ignorant that this "opposite" side of himself is him. And it is this contention which causes the presence of radical evil in our world. Radical evil is what happens when God rages against God for doing evil, which results in greater evils being committed.

I cannot equate mediocrity and ineptness with evil. Both of these descriptions imply circumstance as opposed to intention.

God is also not totally evil because God wants good, he wants order and he wants justice, it is just his ignorance that prevents him from achieving any of these thing.He intends good but because of his ignorance we get evil, he intend order but we get chaos, he intends justice but we get injustice. His ignorance as corrupted him and it is his ignorance that permeates all so it corrupts everything. We too often seek to do good but often in our endeavors we only make things worse.

I can't equate ignorance with evil, either. For the same reason.

So basically we live in a crap sack world because we have a crappy Creator. But he is a creator and he does manage to create things of beauty when inspired but I really don't think that inspiration comes from him.

So what do you think?

I think I'm not sure why you would want it this way.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I would think, though, that if God is evil, and God is everything, we would be wiped out almost immediately. Wouldn't you?

Not really. God could think he is good and is in someway trying to redeem us. Just because you are evil doesn't mean you are aware that you are evil.

Most of us believe we are good, we deny the monster lurks in us, we externalize the evil in us instead of accepting that not only is the Wendingo in the village, but the Wendingo is us.

 

[Bunyip]

I would think, though, that if God is evil, and God is everything, we would be wiped out almost immediately. Wouldn't you?

But isn't that exactly what many Christians are expecting to happen any time now?

As he has done before with the entire population of the world except for Noah and his family.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Not really. God could think he is good and is in someway trying to redeem us. Just because you are evil doesn't mean you are aware that you are evil.

Most of us believe we are good, we deny the monster lurks in us, we externalize the evil in us instead of accepting that not only is the Wendingo in the village, but the Wendingo is us.

Got a point. Thanks for clarifying

 

[The Sum of Awe]

But isn't that exactly what many Christians are expecting to happen any time now?

As he has done before with the entire population of the world except for Noah and his family.

Yeah, but what more do you expect from a jealous war god?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

"Evil" is just a human construct. The universe isn't "good" or "evil". It just is. I choose to view life as an evolutionary ascension of consciousness. To ascend, this takes many lifetimes and eons, and this includes experiencing pain and suffering. I don't believe in any creator deity, so I don't have your issue. Your form of Gnosticism is just severe depression and despair given a religious veneer. The logical conclusion of your path is suicide.

 

[Tumah]

Ok. I guess my first question would be:
Since you are imposing limits on the infinite, your G-d must not be completely infinite. If it is not infinite, what came before your G-d or maybe, who created it in that state?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Ok. I guess my first question would be:
Since you are imposing limits on the infinite, your G-d must not be completely infinite. If it is not infinite, what came before your G-d or maybe, who created it in that state?

Ex Nihilo can work for pantheists just as well as any other theologies.

 

[Tumah]

Ex Nihilo can work for pantheists just as well as any other theologies.

I know, I am a panentheist.

The question was not on the pantheist aspect of her position, but with respect to the character flaws. If her god is not omniscient, then her god is limited in what he can know. And perhaps not omnopotent in that he can't create anything better than he did.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I know, I am a panentheist.

The question was not on the pantheist aspect of her position, but with respect to the character flaws. If her god is not omniscient, then her god is limited in what he can know. And perhaps not omnopotent in that he can't create anything better than he did.

Good observation, apologies for misreading your other post.

 

[zenzero]

Friend CC,

Evil Is the Essence of Everything That Exists.

True!
Because if you have created 'God' by default you have created 'Satan'.
Days are followed by nights. there is light a well as darkness in fact life is a balance between the two equal and opposite forces good /bad. day/night, positive/ negative etc.

Love & rgds

 

[Desert Snake]

Friend CC,


True!
Because if you have created 'God' by default you have created 'Satan'.
Days are followed by nights. there is light a well as darkness in fact life is a balance between the two equal and opposite forces good /bad. day/night, positive/ negative etc.

Love & rgds

What 'side' are you on?


Reminds me of Star Wars btw.

 

[zenzero]

Friend disciple,

What 'side' are you on?

Just in the middle!

Love & rgds

 

[dust1n]

So what do you think?

Hmm. I think the Essence of Everything That Exists might be even worse. Instead of it being evil, it is intangible, not graspable, indifferent, purposeless, and recklessly chaotic. But, ya know, whatever helps you help at night. :sad:

 

[psychoslice]

My world is heaven on earth, I don't know where some of you live ?.

 

[Desert Snake]

My world is heaven on earth, I don't know where some of you live ?.

hell on earth?