Evolution - a very bad joke...

[Magic Man]

Another view is that a law is a theory, but one which has been verified to a great extent & has enormous usefulness, eg, the law of gravity (for weak fields). Yet even in the scientific community, many theories which behave as laws are still called "theory", eg, theory of evolution, theory of relativity,

Not quite. Generally a law can be boiled down to an equation, such as gravity. A theory explains a bunch of facts. Check out this explanation. Evolution and Relativity don't behave as laws, which is why they're theories. It doesn't mean they have been less verified or that they're less useful, just that they're a different sort of thing.

 

[Enoughie]

Sorry, did not see that one, too many atheists here..

Ie a natural disaster struck them, like Noah´s flood(Atlantis civilization was wiped out), it came during Yu the great´s time - Yu the Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

There could be huge earthquakes, a terrible disease hitting on evil people(they have massive karma so it is very easy to pinpoint such people from other dimensions) or comets, anything to wipe out the civilization when it became too bad.

Was it not said by Swedenborg that the old Egyptians were extremely advanced technologically(see the saucers on their engravements) but also very wicked so they were wiped out.


Wish everyone good luck in their quest for higher truth.

You said they were technologically more advanced than us.

Where are the remains of the satellites? Their subterranean bunkers? Their artifacts? Nothing remained of them?! All gone?

Yet, we constantly find the artifacts of those civilizations that were less advanced than ours? Bizarre, isn't it?

No, I think a better explanation is that you're just ignorant and self-deluded. Instead of getting a basic understanding in science, history, or archeology, you prefer your fantasy world of mighty civilizations and mind-reading plants (http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/108560-main-spirit-plant-can-think-read.html).

How very sad.

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[paolops181]

1. Biological Evolution is backed by overwhelming empirical evidence.
2. The Big Bang has nothing to do with the facts supporting Biological Evolution.
3. Biological Evolution has nothing to do with whether or not God exists.

And, IMHO, a God who demands fear is unworthy of worship.

You are wrong by saying "a God who demands fear is unworthy of worship."
"But our God is in heaven;
He does whatever He pleases." -ps.115:3
People like you saying that is corrupt & not wise hehe...

 

[Eliot Wild]

Evolution is false! How can you believe about the big bang theory? We should rather fear God.

Amen, you tell 'em, brother. These scientists with their research, and their reason, their empirical evidence and their critical thinking, their proofs and their theories. "Bah, humbug," I say. And I'll say it again, "Bah, freakin' humbug!!"

If God wanted us to think and use reason and study the physical universe, then he wouldn't have given us the bible that explains absolutely everything.

Evolution, smevolution.

Fear God, I say. For He is worthy to be feared, with His big Wide Arse that spans the heavens. Fear Him or suffer His wrath for all eternity!

 

[paolops181]

Amen, you tell 'em, brother. These scientists with their research, and their reason, their empirical evidence and their critical thinking, their proofs and their theories. "Bah, humbug," I say. And I'll say it again, "Bah, freakin' humbug!!"

If God wanted us to think and use reason and study the physical universe, then he wouldn't have given us the bible that explains absolutely everything.

Evolution, smevolution.

Fear God, I say. For He is worthy to be feared, with His big Wide Arse that spans the heavens. Fear Him or suffer His wrath for all eternity!

Haha.. thank you brother! They just don't know how fearful to fall into the hands of God when the time comes.. God bles you bro!

 

[Revoltingest]

Not quite. Generally a law can be boiled down to an equation, such as gravity. A theory explains a bunch of facts. Check out this explanation. Evolution and Relativity don't behave as laws, which is why they're theories. It doesn't mean they have been less verified or that they're less useful, just that they're a different sort of thing.

If I said cheeseburgers taste good, you'd counter that it's a fact they cannot because Paul Krugman said so.

The link you provided is one view out there. There are others.
Moreover, your source gets a fundamental somewhat wrong:
From your link: " But in scientific terms, a theory implies that something has been proven and is generally accepted as being true."
The prevailing view in the science community is that theories about the material world cannot be proven "true", because there is
always the possibility that they could fail to make predictions in unforeseen circumstances. The hallmark of a theory in science is
that it's possible to prove it false. (You could read up on the Pauli quote under my post....you'd find it illuminating.)
From Wikipedia....
"Falsifiability, particularly testability, is an important concept in science and the philosophy of science. The concept was made
popular by Karl Popper in his philosophical analysis of the scientific method. Popper concluded that a hypothesis, proposition,
or theory is "scientific" only if it is, among other things, falsifiable. That is, falsifiability is a necessary (but not sufficient) criterion
for scientific ideas. Popper asserted that unfalsifiable statements are non-scientific...."
I prefer Popper's view to yours.

Counter-examples:
Murphy's Law - it lacks an equation, yet it is a law.

Examples showing that there is more than one way to view the "law" vs "theory" issue:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_science_when_does_a_theory_become_a_law
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080901230159AAnMKSi

It's limiting to believe that all things can be viewed only one way, & that your way is the singular truth.
If you can't understand other people's perspectives, then you'll never learn.

 

[Magic Man]

If I said cheeseburgers taste good, you'd counter that it's a fact they don't because Paul Krugman said so.
The link you provided is one view out there. It is not the only one.

Well, as you said, you're not big on facts. Sorry, but the link I provided isn't just one view; it's the way it is. I understand you may not like that, but that's too bad. Facts are facts, even if you don't want them to be.

Counter-examples:
Murphy's Law - it lacks an equation, yet it is a law.

I hope you're kidding.

 

[Enoughie]

There could be huge earthquakes, a terrible disease hitting on evil people(they have massive karma so it is very easy to pinpoint such people from other dimensions)

Just out of curiosity, do you think ignorance and self-delusion gives you good karma?

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[T-Dawg]

Haha.. thank you brother! They just don't know how fearful to fall into the hands of God when the time comes.. God bles you bro!

Um, dude, he was being sarcastic. We're making fun of your silly, cultish beliefs, not agreeing with them!

 

[tumbleweed41]

You are wrong by saying "a God who demands fear is unworthy of worship."
"But our God is in heaven;
He does whatever He pleases." -ps.115:3
People like you saying that is corrupt & not wise hehe...

As I said before, the subject of this thread, biological evolution, has nothing to do with a discussion about the existence of God.

Rather than derail this thread, I have re-posted your above quote here....
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/108680-fear-god.html#post2284428

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, as you said, you're not big on facts. Sorry, but the link I provided isn't just one view; it's the way it is. I understand you may not like that, but that's too bad. Facts are facts, even if you don't want them to be.

There is no "want" in recognizing that something can be viewed in different ways.
One of the few incontrovertible facts is that there is an alternative view to yours.
I've provided sources in an edit to the earlier post. You could find others too....if you dared.
I presume you lack a science & technology background....you have way too much faith in your own opinion.

I hope you're kidding.

Murphy's law is a fundamental engineering design principle. Ignore it, & people die.

 

[Magic Man]

There is no "want" in recognizing that something can be viewed in different ways. One of the few incontrovertible facts is that there is an alternative view to yours. I've provided sources in an edit to the earlier post. You could find others too....if you dared. I presume you lack a science & technology background....you have way too much faith in your own opinion.

Sorry, there is no alternative view to this. You are confused. You think because there are multiple valid views on some things that there must be on all things. That's incorrect. A scientific theory and law are two different things, and they are not separated by a degree of certitude. They just serve different functions. But again, as you said, you're not big on facts, so I wouldn't expect you to acknowledge this one.

(Man, I sure am having to school you a lot lately.)

Murphy's law is a fundamental engineering design principle. Ignore it, & people die.

Again, I hope you are kidding.

 

[Magic Man]

Haha, I just went back and looked at your links. You actually used Wiki Answers as a source! I'll mark that down as amusing post of the day.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry, there is no alternative view to this.

Did you not read the links wherein people had alternate views?

That's incorrect.

How do you know that your faith is true, & that all others are wrong?
Since you're not in technology or science, I wonder how you can preach about them with such certainty.

 

[Magic Man]

Did you not read the links wherein people had alternate views?

You're right, sorry. What I should have said is that there are no valid alternative views to it.

How do you know that your faith is true, & that all others are wrong?

I don't have faith. Nice try, though.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't have faith. Nice try, though.

Really......?
Please construct a logical argument from indisputable premises for why your view is the only valid one.
This will be interesting.

 

[Orias]

Evolution is false! How can you believe about the big bang theory? We should rather fear God.

Rather, you should be as so narrow minded to assume that God never came from our evolution.

Evolution is false, just as much as your comforting delusion, the mind has evolved beyond what you care to see.

 

[Magic Man]

Really......?
Please construct a logical argument for why your view is the only valid one.
This will be interesting.

Because those are the uses of the scientific terms. There is no logical argument necessary. A scientific theory isn't just a law that has less evidence or is less certain; it's a different animal altogether. That's why gravity is a law and a theory.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is no logical argument necessary.

There never is with faith based belief.

 

[Starsoul]

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A scientific theory is just an explanation of a bunch of facts based on evidence. It is as factual as a scientific law. You can go here for a better clarification.

I don't mind people being ignorant of things. I'm ignorant of a lot of things. But what gets me is being ignorant about something, but dismissing it as if you aren't ignorant on the subject. If you want to remain ignorant about it, great. Just don't form an opinion without the necessary information.

How does talking about a scientific unproved theory against a PROVED theory call ignorance in question? The theory of evolution is still not accepted or elevated to a fully accepted theory, though its sacred to some scientists as a belief, and they BELIEVE that evidences will come through, though the validity of those evidences are not established.

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Is the theory of evolution a scientific theory or an established fact?[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]

It is important to differentiate between:[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Details of evolutionary development:
Knowledge of many specific details of evolution are unknown at this time. Details are only gradually being filled in.
The full "'truth' can probably never be determined. Results must always be held open to extension, modification, even possible replacement."

[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica] Many, probably most, scientists believe:
[/FONT] 1. [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]That biological evolution actually happened; it is a fact.[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]
2. Some of the precise mechanisms by which it happened are still being debated.


Is the theory of evolution just a theory?[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_stat.htm
[/FONT]That seems like one hell of a belief system without substantial evidence must say. if scientists can pride themselves as intelligent super beings, they've got to stop talking on and on about what they believe in without evidence.

With that analogy, Religion and creationism is also an explanation of observation of facts based on the eye witnesses and experiences of humanity starting from day one. Now, you can choose to be ignorant, or non chalant about anything that verifies human observation and confirmation by faith, IMO that is ignorant. And You just cant merit forming any opinions on creationism when all you have is a hundred yr old unsupported tale of ape fantasy.

But Creationism is a valid observation(as it stands), as far as religions are concerned and dated back. None of the thousands of yrs old books confirm to witnessing of evolution unless you think all men born before you were mere idiots , and would never talk of a thing called ape like ancestors because it was highly irrelevant to them because 1) they were either really lofty elites who looked down upon apes 2) had no common intelligence, were unable to feed and nurture themselves.

Creationism is a PROVED theory, a day to day Thriving reality, and evolution is an ignorant attempt to romanticize/legitimize athiesm and related concepts. I have read up lots on evolution and the narrators never tire of saying. " it is percepted, it is thought, maybe there's a link here or there etc" great way to give credit to a theory.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to the theory of evolution, at some time in the distant past there was no life in the universe -- just elements and chemical compounds. Somehow, these chemicals combined and came to life.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] However, scientists don't really know how life came to be. Even Stanley Miller, whose experiments are cited in most biology text books, says that the origin of life is still unknown. The idea that dead material can come to life all by itself is not consistent with scientific observation.[64][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The leading mathematicians in the century met with some evolutionary biologists and confronted them with the fact that according to mathematical statistics, the probabilities of a cell or a protein molecule coming into existence were nil. They even constructed a model of a large computer and tried to figure out the possibilities of a cell ever happening. The result was zero possibility! - Wistar Institute, 1966[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Professor Edwin Conklin observed, "The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the Unabridged Dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop."[/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] It has never been observed in any laboratory that mutations can cause one species to turn into another. Despite this, evolutionists believe that given enough time, some animals will eventually evolve into other creatures.( keep your fingers crossed)[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Evolutionists claim that although we have not actually observed these things happening, that does not mean that they are impossible. They say it simply means they are extremely improbable. Evolutionists think the world has been around long enough for all these highly improbable things to happen.[/FONT]


Scientific Arguments Against Evolution

call me all ignorant that you want , of the hypothetically supported scientific derivations looking to be accepted as truths, but the ignorance surrounding evolution begs to be seen as an evasive athiestic driven disputation rather than anything.