Evolution based on random mutations and natural selection

[FearGod]

Matter does have the qualities that it can be receptive to photos and have measurable reactions yes.

Does matter realize such fact ?

 

[Unification]

It does not. An all material world can still have non-matter. For example light exists. Light is non-matter. That is as material as it gets. The issue of the "mind" as a personal construct of who you are is an illusion.

Just as scripture says, "God is light." Consuming fire- "energy."
God is life/consciousness.

If a human saw what pure consciousness looked like, they would instantly be consumed. It is impossible. The idea isn't to find out what exactly the processes are for consciousness, it's for mankind to "BE" conscious.

The only reason consciousness and life can exist is in the properly designed body in the properly designed environment, which are both perfection.

The human brain is a conscious receiver of light. It's a miniature duplicate brain of the cosmos (big brain)
The universe has been duplicated in our brains.

Conveying signals point to point.

Information in motion. (Photons/light)
The word 'Angel' is taken from the Greek word 'Angelos' which means 'Messenger, Angels are God's messengers, and Einstein said that Light comes to the Earth at an angle, and that light which are Photons, are messenger particles. Angels/Angles.

Source to source. Energy to energy. Or as the bible says it: Father(conscious universe) to Son(conscious human brain)
Holy Spirit(cosmic energy/collective conscious)

The outpouring of cosmic energy comes from the cosmos, into ones brain as a receiver of light, which completely renews ones separated and illusioned mind.

Existence is comprised of three components: energy (motion), matter, and consciousness. Essentially these are all ONE. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. Matter is neither created nor destroyed. Consciousness is neither created nor destroyed. You cannot have the one without the other. In order for consciousness to “be,” a vehicle (body) is needed. As matter (the body) is put into motion (energy) consciousness has the chance to experience, eventually given rise to self awareness.

God, as pure consciousness, is experiencing himself through us, and the more of him (heightened consciousness) that we bring down into this body, the more fully he manifests in this physical realm. God/life/consciousness is not separate from creation, all of mankind has a spirit(conscious), essentially making the human a mini-god themselves and carrying out creation and experiencing. The God aspect of mankind spirit/consciousness is in all, good and evil alike... The ignorant just have no awareness of this and utilize the mind and see only physical/material/matter of the animal realm and keep on missing the truth, and reality due to ego and mind. They will start all over in the life cycle of evolution in the water.

A spiritual man is not to be confused with a religious man. One knows the truth and the true life, knows everything...the other knows myths and theories, ego, self, imaginations, etc.

Belief in the supernatural is one of the mind’s favorite tools of deception. The mind wants to believe in the supernatural, because it cannot see the magic in the natural.

People want to believe in a God that does things that are impossible. Many people think doing the impossible is what makes God, a God.

Creating the infinite universe and our life is not good enough for some people. They want to see something outside reality, something that changes reality. They want to see the impossible, which is impossible.

The very nature of the human mind is delusional. It will see what it wants to see, what it believes or wants to believe exists.

There are no real miracles or magic other than life and consciousness itself.
One of the things that make life so miraculous is that you can understand it, know the truth, and know that anything against the laws of nature (God’s law) is impossible.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Does matter realize such fact ?

Matter when developed into an incredibly complex system of reactive chemicals and structures that can retain memories of these reactions to form memories and eventually cognition then yes.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Just as scripture says, "God is light." Consuming fire- "energy."
God is life/consciousness.

If a human saw what pure consciousness looked like, they would instantly be consumed. It is impossible. The idea isn't to find out what exactly the processes are for consciousness, it's for mankind to "BE" conscious.

The only reason consciousness and life can exist is in the properly designed body in the properly designed environment, which are both perfection.

The human brain is a conscious receiver of light. It's a miniature duplicate brain of the cosmos (big brain)
The universe has been duplicated in our brains.

Conveying signals point to point.

Information in motion. (Photons/light)
The word 'Angel' is taken from the Greek word 'Angelos' which means 'Messenger, Angels are God's messengers, and Einstein said that Light comes to the Earth at an angle, and that light which are Photons, are messenger particles. Angels/Angles.

Source to source. Energy to energy. Or as the bible says it: Father(conscious universe) to Son(conscious human brain)
Holy Spirit(cosmic energy/collective conscious)

The outpouring of cosmic energy comes from the cosmos, into ones brain as a receiver of light, which completely renews ones separated and illusioned mind.

Existence is comprised of three components: energy (motion), matter, and consciousness. Essentially these are all ONE. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. Matter is neither created nor destroyed. Consciousness is neither created nor destroyed. You cannot have the one without the other. In order for consciousness to “be,” a vehicle (body) is needed. As matter (the body) is put into motion (energy) consciousness has the chance to experience, eventually given rise to self awareness.

God, as pure consciousness, is experiencing himself through us, and the more of him (heightened consciousness) that we bring down into this body, the more fully he manifests in this physical realm. God/life/consciousness is not separate from creation, all of mankind has a spirit(conscious), essentially making the human a mini-god themselves and carrying out creation and experiencing. The God aspect of mankind spirit/consciousness is in all, good and evil alike... The ignorant just have no awareness of this and utilize the mind and see only physical/material/matter of the animal realm and keep on missing the truth, and reality due to ego and mind. They will start all over in the life cycle of evolution in the water.

A spiritual man is not to be confused with a religious man. One knows the truth and the true life, knows everything...the other knows myths and theories, ego, self, imaginations, etc.

Belief in the supernatural is one of the mind’s favorite tools of deception. The mind wants to believe in the supernatural, because it cannot see the magic in the natural.

People want to believe in a God that does things that are impossible. Many people think doing the impossible is what makes God, a God.

Creating the infinite universe and our life is not good enough for some people. They want to see something outside reality, something that changes reality. They want to see the impossible, which is impossible.

The very nature of the human mind is delusional. It will see what it wants to see, what it believes or wants to believe exists.

There are no real miracles or magic other than life and consciousness itself.
One of the things that make life so miraculous is that you can understand it, know the truth, and know that anything against the laws of nature (God’s law) is impossible.

None of this has been substantiated. If you feel there is validity to the claim that consciousness has to be created by a higher power you must give evidence of that. You have not. You have given your own personal opinion based upon a book written thousands of years ago. What is worse is that you are attempting to rationalize and incorporate things that very obviously do not mesh.

 

[FearGod]

Matter when developed into an incredibly complex system of reactive chemicals and structures that can retain memories of these reactions to form memories and eventually cognition then yes.

How a matter can have an incredibly complex system ?

 

[metis]

I'd say that with a few exceptions today religionists make poor scientists. The exceptions to this "rule" seem to be concentrated in Math and Physics.

I can't remember if it's Leonard Susskind or Michio Kaku that wrote in one of his books that scientists tend to make for rather unconventional theists for those that are so inclined to be believers.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

How a matter can have an incredibly complex system ?

In what way would being matter inhibit it? Or are you asking how it developed? To the first its easy. There is no reason why matter cannot have such qualities. To the second I can link you to the development of the brain but I want to know if your actually interested in a link about evolution.

 

[FearGod]

In what way would being matter inhibit it? Or are you asking how it developed? To the first its easy. There is no reason why matter cannot have such qualities. To the second I can link you to the development of the brain but I want to know if your actually interested in a link about evolution.

In what way a matter can realize itself, seeing itself, thinking by itself...etc.

A matter is an inanimate, what a formula that makes the inanimate a conscious matter.

Can we make it in the lab as to make a simple system to realize seeing itself.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

In what way a matter can realize itself, seeing itself, thinking by itself...etc.

A matter is an inanimate, what a formula that makes the inanimate a conscious matter.

Can we make it in the lab as to make a simple system to realize seeing itself.

We can create artificial intelligence that can can be somewhat self aware and within the next 100 years we are estimated that we will have technology advanced enough to create semi-conscious intelligent computer systems. So yes we can. But what is consciousness? It is the illusion that we experience during the mesh of information being transferred and stored. We have even observed a memory being formed in the brain. I think that would be the final nail in the coffin for anyone who has doubts that the brain is the source for consciousness. And if it wasn't why is it that a person with brain damage and no other kind of damage suddenly has lost part or all of their "consciousness'?

 

[FearGod]

We can create artificial intelligence that can can be somewhat self aware and within the next 100 years we are estimated that we will have technology advanced enough to create semi-conscious intelligent computer systems. So yes we can. But what is consciousness? It is the illusion that we experience during the mesh of information being transferred and stored. We have even observed a memory being formed in the brain. I think that would be the final nail in the coffin for anyone who has doubts that the brain is the source for consciousness. And if it wasn't why is it that a person with brain damage and no other kind of damage suddenly has lost part or all of their "consciousness'?

What do you mean by artificial intelligence ? can it think by its own ?

Yes consciousness can be lost by brain damage because its our source for information, imagine a driver controlling his car and suddenly the brake failed, even though the driver is there but the car will be out of control.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

What do you mean by artificial intelligence ? can it think by its own ?

We are approaching that yes.

Yes consciousness can be lost by brain damage because its our source for information, imagine a driver controlling his car and suddenly the brake failed, even though the driver is there but the car will be out of control.

So your argument is that the brain somehow is the piece that is used by the soul or divine to create consciousness but we have no evidence of that? Why not assume the brain is the source? This is what all evidence seems to lead to.

 

[FearGod]

We are approaching that yes.

So we didn't yet.

So your argument is that the brain somehow is the piece that is used by the soul or divine to create consciousness but we have no evidence of that? Why not assume the brain is the source? This is what all evidence seems to lead to.

The brain has several parts and no part by itself is conscious, rationally it's one thing that uses the brain as a source for the information and which is the soul.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

So we didn't yet.

Not yet. Why is it relevant?

The brain has several parts and no part by itself is conscious, rationally it's one thing that uses the brain as a source for the information and which is the soul.

False. All parts of the brain are conscious. Each part of the brain provides a different level of necessity for the function of our brain. For example we know what part of the brain houses memories. What part of the brain is involved with cognitive thinking, emotions ect. The brain is conscious. That is like saying no part of a car is a whole car therefore god.

 

[FearGod]

Not yet. Why is it relevant?

Because we're discussing as of now and not what will be the future.

False. All parts of the brain are conscious. Each part of the brain provides a different level of necessity for the function of our brain. For example we know what part of the brain houses memories. What part of the brain is involved with cognitive thinking, emotions ect. The brain is conscious. That is like saying no part of a car is a whole car therefore god.

Does that mean the memory part can see what we see and realize what we think ?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Because we're discussing as of now and not what will be the future.

How is our inability to currently do something relevant to the current discussion?

Does that mean the memory part can see what we see and realize what we think ?

It is part of the process yes. Memories one of the very core functions of cognition. Without it we would simply be drooling messes without any ability to connect one thought to the next.

 

[FearGod]

How is our inability to currently do something relevant to the current discussion?

We don't have to guess for what will happen in the future as to prove our view to be correct.

It is part of the process yes. Memories one of the very core functions of cognition. Without it we would simply be drooling messes without any ability to connect one thought to the next.

But the memory itself isn't conscious and doesn't realize or understanding anything, just data storage.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

We don't have to guess for what will happen in the future as to prove our view to be correct.

I didn't. I stated we already have rudimentary forms of artificial intelligence NOW. And it is getting better every day. You inquired about the future.

But the memory itself isn't conscious and doesn't realize or understanding anything, just data storage.

A brick isn't a wall. therefore a wall must have something other than bricks and adhesive. See how silly this sounds? It is part of the whole that is the consciousness. Breaking it down to a single portion doesn't counter this. There is no need for a single memory to be a living conscious thing all in of itself. Just as a single brick has no need to be a whole wall.

 

[FearGod]

I didn't. I stated we already have rudimentary forms of artificial intelligence NOW. And it is getting better every day. You inquired about the future.

I asked you does the artificial intelligence think by its own, you said not yet but we are approaching it, so you're guessing what will happen in the future.

A brick isn't a wall. therefore a wall must have something other than bricks and adhesive. See how silly this sounds? It is part of the whole that is the consciousness. Breaking it down to a single portion doesn't counter this. There is no need for a single memory to be a living conscious thing all in of itself. Just as a single brick has no need to be a whole wall.

Bricks won't be a wall or a part of a wall without someone constructing and building it, did you see how silly is it.
How our brains were constructed to act as a whole, how each part connected and works in harmony ?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I asked you does the artificial intelligence think by its own, you said not yet but we are approaching it, so you're guessing what will happen in the future.

Let me re-phrase. Yes it can. But it is limited. The limit is wider and wider each year.

Bricks won't be a wall or a part of a wall without someone constructing and building it, did you see how silly is it.
How our brains were constructed to act as a whole, how each part connected and works in harmony ?

That doesn't have anything to do with the analogy. If you would like something non-constructed lets look at a waterfall. A single drop of water falling isn't a waterfall. With just that information we could assume it was rain. But no one constructed the waterfall. Yet no single drop is the waterfall. It is part of the whole that is the water fall.

 

[FearGod]

Let me re-phrase. Yes it can. But it is limited. The limit is wider and wider each year.

So what we achieve exactly as of today, source the link for such achievement.

That doesn't have anything to do with the analogy. If you would like something non-constructed lets look at a waterfall. A single drop of water falling isn't a waterfall. With just that information we could assume it was rain. But no one constructed the waterfall. Yet no single drop is the waterfall. It is part of the whole that is the water fall.

It's like saying a piece of information isn't the memory.