Evolution based on random mutations and natural selection

[Unification]

We can create artificial intelligence that can can be somewhat self aware and within the next 100 years we are estimated that we will have technology advanced enough to create semi-conscious intelligent computer systems. So yes we can. But what is consciousness? It is the illusion that we experience during the mesh of information being transferred and stored. We have even observed a memory being formed in the brain. I think that would be the final nail in the coffin for anyone who has doubts that the brain is the source for consciousness. And if it wasn't why is it that a person with brain damage and no other kind of damage suddenly has lost part or all of their "consciousness'?

Chasing the never-ended mind tail in circles. The tabernacle of God (conscious) is the brain. Receiver of consciousness and life. Consciousness is called "life." Consciousness just as energy is neither created or destroyed.

You have said this yourself, already a few times... Indirectly and unconsciously.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

So what we achieve exactly as of today, source the link for such achievement.

You can google search any number of things. This is a good one for you to root around in. Here is one I found on the first page of a google search Its about a robot that is able to learn as it goes along. It is able to interpret information that is given to it and make the appropriate changes to its behavior.
Robot Able to Learn as it Goes, Adapting to Human Instructions [VIDEO] : Tech : Nature World News

It's like saying a piece of information isn't the memory.

I'm saying it is.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Chasing the never-ended mind tail in circles. The tabernacle of God (conscious) is the brain. Receiver of consciousness and life. Consciousness is called "life." Consciousness just as energy is neither created or destroyed.

You have said this yourself, already a few times... Indirectly and unconsciously.

If you call god energy then I think that removes him from being god in my opinion.

 

[FearGod]

You can google search any number of things. This is a good one for you to root around in. Here is one I found on the first page of a google search Its about a robot that is able to learn as it goes along. It is able to interpret information that is given to it and make the appropriate changes to its behavior.
Robot Able to Learn as it Goes, Adapting to Human Instructions [VIDEO] : Tech : Nature World News

http://www.natureworldnews.com/arti...goes-adapting-to-human-instructions-video.htm

Does the robot realize that ? or will it be after 100 years ?

I'm saying it is.

The piece of information can be lost while the memory region still there.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Does the robot realize that ? or will it be after 100 years ?

Do you as this as a moot point or are you generally curious?

The piece of information can be lost while the memory region still there.

And a memory can be lost while the information is eternal. Our brain can loose memories pretty easy. In fact when we "remember" our memories we alter them slightly.

 

[FearGod]

Do you as this as a moot point or are you generally curious?

A moot point or curious, that won't change anything.
Do you think the robot after 100 years will be improved as to realize itself ?

And a memory can be lost while the information is eternal. Our brain can loose memories pretty easy. In fact when we "remember" our memories we alter them slightly.

And we can store the information in an external memory such as a notebook and use it and keep it eternally, that's because we're conscious and wise creatures and not because we got memory or because it's just part of our brain.

The brain just serves us similar to the heart, tongue, eyes, every and each part has its own job and all work in a harmony as to serve us in our living.

 

[Kirran]

You can replace a heart, a tongue, an eye, a leg, etc, without it becoming a different person. Replacing the brain, not so much.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

A moot point or curious, that won't change anything.
Do you think the robot after 100 years will be improved as to realize itself ?

I believe so yes. It doesn't have anything to do with the core of my point however

And we can store the information in an external memory such as a notebook and use it and keep it eternally, that's because we're conscious and wise creatures and not because we got memory or because it's just part of our brain.

The brain just serves us similar to the heart, tongue, eyes, every and each part has its own job and all work in a harmony as to serve us in our living.

So does god pump our heart or does it function on its own ?

 

[FearGod]

I believe so yes. It doesn't have anything to do with the core of my point however

Why you believe that the robot after 100 years will be able to realize and think by itself ?

So does god pump our heart or does it function on its own ?

The heart is designed to work by it's own, does the brain instruct the heart to pump independent of the brain ?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Why you believe that the robot after 100 years will be able to realize and think by itself ?

Perhaps. Its hard to say by the time frame but it appears to be an inevitability.

The heart is designed to work by it's own, does the brain instruct the heart to pump independent of the brain ?

The heart does not work without a brain. And how could the brain do anything independent of the brain?

 

[FearGod]

Perhaps. Its hard to say by the time frame but it appears to be an inevitability.

So you're guessing.

The heart does not work without a brain. And how could the brain do anything independent of the brain?

Yes the heart can work with a dead brain by using the ventilator.

 

[Kirran]

So you're guessing.



Yes the heart can work with a dead brain by using the ventilator.

But a heart beating away there is just a heart. It isn't a person. But if I have a heart transplant, a skin transplant, a liver transplant, lose my limbs, lose my eyes, get a kidney transplant etc etc, it's still me.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

So you're guessing.

I love how I say it has nothing to do with my post and you still try to force me into talking about the progression of science only to say that I'm guessing. Why don't you go back and not ignore the relevant aspects I had about current science.

Yes the heart can work with a dead brain by using the ventilator.

Not on its own.

 

[FearGod]

I love how I say it has nothing to do with my post and you still try to force me into talking about the progression of science only to say that I'm guessing. Why don't you go back and not ignore the relevant aspects I had about current science.

You said you believe that after 100 years the robot will be able to realize and think by itself but you didn't explain how that will be done by science.

Not on its own.

Electrical Activity of the Heart

Although the heart is enervated by the autonomic nervous system, the heart does not require the nervous system to function. If all the nerves going into the heart are cut, the heart will continue to beat. This is because the heart is autorhythmic, meaning it generates its own rhythmic action potentials independent of the nervous system.

The rhythmic beating of the heart is controlled by a small group of cells in the wall of the right atrium, collectively called the sinoatrial node (typically referred to as the SA node). Because the SA node controls heart rate, it is called the pacemaker of the heart. The autorhythmic cells of the SA node intiate action potentials at a constant rate because they do not have a resting membrane potential. Rather their membrane potential is always drifting towards threshold. This slow drift toward threshold is called the pacemaker potential. When threshold is reached, an action potential is fired. Again the membrane potential drifts toward threshold and another action potential is fired. The cycle of drift and fire repeats itself over and over again in a rhythmic manner.

The Heart

 

[Monk Of Reason]

You said you believe that after 100 years the robot will be able to realize and think by itself but you didn't explain how that will be done by science.

It will be built upon by the existing work. It already has rudimentary forms of intelligence. There isn't a leap in anything beyond building on the complexity.

Electrical Activity of the Heart

Although the heart is enervated by the autonomic nervous system, the heart does not require the nervous system to function. If all the nerves going into the heart are cut, the heart will continue to beat. This is because the heart is autorhythmic, meaning it generates its own rhythmic action potentials independent of the nervous system.

The rhythmic beating of the heart is controlled by a small group of cells in the wall of the right atrium, collectively called the sinoatrial node (typically referred to as the SA node). Because the SA node controls heart rate, it is called the pacemaker of the heart. The autorhythmic cells of the SA node intiate action potentials at a constant rate because they do not have a resting membrane potential. Rather their membrane potential is always drifting towards threshold. This slow drift toward threshold is called the pacemaker potential. When threshold is reached, an action potential is fired. Again the membrane potential drifts toward threshold and another action potential is fired. The cycle of drift and fire repeats itself over and over again in a rhythmic manner.

The Heart

And why does it stop beating when its cut out of the chest? It doesn't continue to beat forever. It has automatic impulses but the connection to the brain is vital to its functionality.
Cardiovascular centre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Kirran]

To be fair, if we cut the heart out of the chest, the rest of the body will also stop working.

 

[FearGod]

But a heart beating away there is just a heart. It isn't a person. But if I have a heart transplant, a skin transplant, a liver transplant, lose my limbs, lose my eyes, get a kidney transplant etc etc, it's still me.

Of course the heart and body parts is just the physical part of the person and not the person himself.

For example if Jesus soul incarnated in Hitler's body then we won't see world war II even though the body is still Hitler's body.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Of course the heart and body parts is just the physical part of the person and not the person himself.

For example if Jesus soul incarnated in Hitler's body then we won't see world war II even though the body is still Hitler's body.

Your evidence of this is? We know that temperment and personality can be seen within brain structures as well. Certain juries to different parts of the brain change who you are as a person.

 

[Unification]

It will be built upon by the existing work. It already has rudimentary forms of intelligence. There isn't a leap in anything beyond building on the complexity.



And why does it stop beating when its cut out of the chest? It doesn't continue to beat forever. It has automatic impulses but the connection to the brain is vital to its functionality.
Cardiovascular centre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why not just build a living human outside of the womb.... Why a useless robot?

 

[Kirran]

Of course the heart and body parts is just the physical part of the person and not the person himself.

But if somebody were to take out my brain, and throw it away, and replace it with another brain, it would not be me. The brain is irreplaceable.