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Evolution has never been observed

atanu

Member
Premium Member
I just re-read it, and it looks to me like you're premoting the analogy. And I'll answer your question. No, I've never seen any software ask, "who am I?" and I've never seen any uncreated software. Whats your point?

My point was/is that 'nature endowed intelligence that we have' and 'human created software' are two different classes altogether.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Again Idva, you are an expert in obfuscation, or you do not go to the main point. We were not talking of plants. And there are two questions.
Ok, but asking if we have developed AI doesn't change the fact that we are pre-programmed. And no, computers have designers unlike humans.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
It's always nice to cite a source for your information. I must admit I'm curious about the idea of non-programmed software myself. I know about evolving software, but that's about the limit of my computer expertise. (ie... I'm very nearly a Luddite :D )

wa:do
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
You made the assertion that objective empirical evidence "rests on faith".

So how do you define fact?

So would empirical evidence account for the bible stating that is the word of God, that is how we know it is the word of God?

If not, then please answer how perception of a physical self is able to 'test' for existence of a physical world?

IOW, this is not objective, and it is 'empirical' in the way everything that has circular reasoning is 'empirical' but it is not objective. My main emphasis has always been on 'objective.'
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
organisms have been reproducing fine without the "creator".

Organisms are the creator. Could be also said as, organisms are creators. Organisms are both THE creator and creators. So, yes, organisms are reproducing fine as (intelligently designed, and intelligently designing) creators.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
We have no evidence that living organisms are designed and tons of evidence that they occur naturally. Your analogy is a category error and fails on every level. So please stop making false analogies.

We have tons of evidence that software occurs naturally. I think your assertion is a category error and fails on level of 'what is natural.' So, please stop making false assertions.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
We are transferring and translating the data before it becomes a thought that we are aware of.

And that transferring and translating is governed by thought.

Plausible to be aware of it as it is occurring, and is partially what meditation is for.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
And that transferring and translating is governed by thought.

Plausible to be aware of it as it is occurring, and is partially what meditation is for.
No, perceiving precedes thought. Perception is the receiving of the data and the thought is the analysis of the data after it is received and translated. It is possible that your thoughts could be analyzing corrupted data.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
No, perceiving precedes thought. Perception is the receiving of the data and the thought is the analysis of the data after it is received and translated. It is possible that your thoughts could be analyzing corrupted data.
How is the data transmitted?
 
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