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Evolution has never been observed
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Absence of thoughts is always a neat trick. Probably makes it easier to hear your non-thought type thoughts.
It is lifetime practice to access corruption free pure knowledge.
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
When nobody creates anything. Go and download the program and you'll see what i mean.
Artificial means created.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
By changes in chemicals in cells. Mostly the changes in ion concentrations such as Na+ and via the movement of neurotransmitters like GABA that change these ion concentrations.
Action potential - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Neurotransmitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What is really cool is that scans of our brains show that while we think we are deciding things consciously... our brains are actually deciding what is going to happen well in advance of our acting.
So much in advance that if you watch brain activity and give someone a choice between A or B, scientists can tell what you are going to choose before you do.
Brain Scans Can Reveal Your Decisions 7 Seconds Before You “Decide” | Exploring The Mind!
All because of the subtle changes in ions within your cells, it's really amazing!
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
I think the point is that the program was... programmed by someone. Regardless of how it runs, it was created by a human being.
Unlike DNA.
wa:do
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Surely if that were the case, it'd produce the same output every time? After all, the rules are the same...
The guy who built the environment wasn't aiming for any specific end result. He did know how the resulting creatures would behave, or even whether he'd get any creatures at all. He just wrote a bunch of rules he liked, and got a random result out of them.
DNA may not have been created but what about it's components? It all has to start somewhere.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
The data transmitted is more about the electrical data going from one cell to another. The key is communication between them to form a whole.By changes in chemicals in cells. Mostly the changes in ion concentrations such as Na+ and via the movement of neurotransmitters like GABA that change these ion concentrations.
Action potential - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Neurotransmitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What is really cool is that scans of our brains show that while we think we are deciding things consciously... our brains are actually deciding what is going to happen well in advance of our acting.
So much in advance that if you watch brain activity and give someone a choice between A or B, scientists can tell what you are going to choose before you do.
Brain Scans Can Reveal Your Decisions 7 Seconds Before You Decide | Exploring The Mind!
All because of the subtle changes in ions within your cells, it's really amazing!
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
If by "electrical" you mean a change in ion concentrations, then yes. It's not data in any way like binary data in a computer... but a change in ion concentrations inside and outside of individual cells.
Thoughts are actually patterns of cells lighting up in the brain. One pattern for example tells your arm to move a particular way, another is a memory.
Rhythmically firing neostriatal neurons in mo... [J Neurophysiol. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
Differential activity patterns of putaminal neurons with inputs from the primary motor cortex and supplementary motor area in behaving monkeys
Yerkes -- Yerkes Researchers Discover Specific Pattern of Neural Activity Critical For Successful Memory Formation
All these cells are doing is producing action potentials by changing the concentration of ions inside them. Just that simple act lets me type this and you read it.
wa:do
Only point is that consciousness, wisdom, and intellect that enable us to theorise is unquestionable in the now and here. Whether it is uncreated software or not is a moot point. Consciosness is. And consciousness- wisdom that gives rise to intellect that gives rise to thoughts/concepts/profs/views of changing objects etc. itself is devoid of evolution.
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And I'll continue to argue that some thought(s) precede the thoughts known as perception. I understand that we have data / tests that demonstrate what you are purporting, but it is really talking about thoughts that are reactive. There is thought(s) that is creative and/or proactive. Again, meditation would be one way to demonstrate this, though certain thoughts (at level of superficial awareness) in meditative state, are unlikely to demonstrate this. So call it deep meditation. It is akin to the thought that governs perception, though not quite the same, in my understanding.
This would be great example of what I was referring to before as reactive thinking. While the study has some fascinating points and interesting implications, the work (so far) is not demonstrating anything other than highly controlled studies on specific, pre-determined choices, which is rarely how we actually think, and is unrelated to creative thought. Perhaps someday there will be advanced studies that one can link to this sort of data, but we currently don't live in that world.
All because of the subtle changes in ions within your cells, it's really amazing!
All governed by thought. :yes:
Although a car (a product) comes after its components (other products), none of these come before their cause -- whatever that may be.
We keep fighting about nature of cause just as a car and its parts may argue about their causes. In the meanwhile....................... .
And perceiving is possible because of the perceiver. Now do not tell me that electrical curents are perceiving you, who is perceiving electrical currents, and who are perceiving you, who is perceiving ..............
I think i am losing it -- i mean 'the electrical currents'.
I already agree with that. Doesn't change what a thought is. What your saying just means we aren't aware of all our thoughts but it is beside the point of what precedes a thought.
Look at what I am discussing with paintedwolf. The cell is the perciever communicating with a network to give us the illusion of us being a whole. Similar to our network passing along messages we post.
hey rAma. Do you mean that there is no IDAV. It's spooky?