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Evolution is False and Impossible

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
so many peole will suffer in hell due to this one man, and his punishment may very well be greater for leading so many of you astray. what a shame.

Riiiight. People are going to go to hell because they believed God used evolution to produce the diversity of life we see. That makes sense. :rolleyes:

alright hold your horses what is more rediculous:

apes became humans

humans were created, just as everything is created?

Let's state them differently and see what we think.

1) An apelike species changes little by little over millions of years, spawning several other species, one of which ends up millions of years later being what we now see as humans.

2) Some invisible guy in the sky poofs humans and every other species into existence, and hides all the evidence of it, so that it looks like everything evolved from single-celled organisms.

I'm going to say number 2 sounds more ridiculous, but that's just the reason and logic in my head talking.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Which is it: you failed biology or never took a class? Humans didn't just come from apes, we are apes.

right when i thought things could not possibly get any worse........... you come along.

so by your statement apes are humans right?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
so many peole will suffer in hell due to this one man...

I suppose you know that to be a fact -- and not just something you've made up all by yourself -- because your god has appointed you his spokesperson? But if you're his spokesperson, you need to get in line behind the likes of James Dobson and Pat Robertson. They also think they speak for your god.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
while we are on the subject, darwin was never a real biologist, he never got any degrees in macro nor micro biology nor human anatomy nor anything that has to do with biology appart from some classes.
Hang on... I just want to point out that this is a silly argument.
Here is why.
During the 1800's there were no such thing as "real biologists"... Darwin was a trained medical doctor, that was as close as you got to "real biology". All the great natrualists (people who studied nature before the development of biology as a distinct science) started out as medical doctors/students.

Your complaint is like saying that the prophet couldn't have been 'a real prophet' because he never studied religion at a madras.

so many peole will suffer in hell due to this one man, and his punishment may very well be greater for leading so many of you astray. what a shame.
I think god isn't that petty... god put all the evidence for evolution in front of our eyes to see, and I don't think god lies.

I think the story of Adam and Eve is a spiritual truth that he gave to you... an explanation for why you need to walk the road you walk.... Evolution is the physical truth of creation happened and it's no less an expression of gods power.

wa:do
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
You cannot legitimately determine the truth or falsity of the claim that humans and other apes share a common ancestor on the basis of whether the claim seems ridiculous to you.

it's not that it seems rediculous to me, but thats not how it happened.

just think about it, us comming to life just out of knowhere without any guidance?

think for a moment, all the million little particles and "things" in our body all working perfectly all in order just happened to be there by chance?
DNA and RNA included. surely you know what functions they have and how complicated they are, you can't be serious that they just happened to come to existence in our body by chance?

have a look at this video here and tell me if you actually believe that, that car could ever come to exist without anyone such as a human guiding it:

Motor Insurance commercial | RAC WA » Insurance » RAC TV commercials » Motor Insurance commercial
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
I suppose you know that to be a fact -- and not just something you've made up all by yourself -- because your god has appointed you his spokesperson? But if you're his spokesperson, you need to get in line behind the likes of James Dobson and Pat Robertson. They also think they speak for your god.

no my god and your god has spoken in the quran, i'm just passing his words down to the rest of you.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Hang on... I just want to point out that this is a silly argument.
Here is why.
During the 1800's there were no such thing as "real biologists"... Darwin was a trained medical doctor, that was as close as you got to "real biology". All the great natrualists (people who studied nature before the development of biology as a distinct science) started out as medical doctors/students.

Your complaint is like saying that the prophet couldn't have been 'a real prophet' because he never studied religion at a madras.


I think god isn't that petty... god put all the evidence for evolution in front of our eyes to see, and I don't think god lies.

I think the story of Adam and Eve is a spiritual truth that he gave to you... an explanation for why you need to walk the road you walk.... Evolution is the physical truth of creation happened and it's no less an expression of gods power.

wa:do

so you believe in god right?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
no my god and your god has spoken in the quran, i'm just passing his words down to the rest of you.

And James Dobson and Pat Robertson say the same thing -- they aren't making up any of it either. They're just passing down his words to the rest of us too.

You should write to them. You seem to have a lot in common with them.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
And James Dobson and Pat Robertson say the same thing -- they aren't making up any of it either. They're just passing down his words to the rest of us too.

You should write to them. You seem to have a lot in common with them.

and what has god told them?
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
it's not that it seems rediculous to me, but thats not how it happened.

just think about it, us comming to life just out of knowhere without any guidance?

think for a moment, all the million little particles and "things" in our body all working perfectly all in order just happened to be there by chance?
DNA and RNA included. surely you know what functions they have and how complicated they are, you can't be serious that they just happened to come to existence in our body by chance?

have a look at this video here and tell me if you actually believe that, that car could ever come to exist without anyone such as a human guiding it:

Motor Insurance commercial | RAC WA » Insurance » RAC TV commercials » Motor Insurance commercial

Please be more original at least. This is nothing more than the argument from incredulity. Yes, it's very possible that the particles that make us up were not guided by any intelligence at all. Since, so far, any evidence we do have about the subject would point towards that being the case, I'd say it's a better bet than the alternative.

And the old Watchmaker argument is no better. That has been refuted a great many times. Sure, a car (something we know is made by humans) we would assume was...made by humans. That's because we know humans make cars.

Look, just because you personally can't (or more accurately, don't want to) see what science is telling you doesn't mean it must be God. There are plenty of legitimate explanations for any of your questions through science. Your rejection of them without even attempting to understand them is just plain stupid.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Please be more original at least. This is nothing more than the argument from incredulity. Yes, it's very possible that the particles that make us up were not guided by any intelligence at all. Since, so far, any evidence we do have about the subject would point towards that being the case, I'd say it's a better bet than the alternative.

And the old Watchmaker argument is no better. That has been refuted a great many times. Sure, a car (something we know is made by humans) we would assume was...made by humans. That's because we know humans make cars.

Look, just because you personally can't (or more accurately, don't want to) see what science is telling you doesn't mean it must be God. There are plenty of legitimate explanations for any of your questions through science. Your rejection of them without even attempting to understand them is just plain stupid.

you didn't answer anything as far as i can tell.

evolution is a slow process, so lets say the heart was created firts (not neccessaraly a humans heart) then after some thousands of years blood came a long........what....a heart cannot work without blood. so just how in the world did th eheart survive?

or anything for that matter, how did chance know that the heart does not work without blood, or that a heart nedds to be devided into 2 sides each with 2 sub groups? please explain that to me cos it seems it's either you are not paying attention or me.

and this time answer the question. you or who ever wants to can.
 

themadhair

Well-Known Member
evolution is a slow process, so lets say the heart was created firts (not neccessaraly a humans heart) then after some thousands of years blood came a long........what....a heart cannot work without blood. so just how in the world did th eheart survive?
Because things coevolve. Trying to argue which came first is being deliberately argumentative.

please explain that to me cos it seems it's either you are not paying attention or me.
Just you.

and this time answer the question. you or who ever wants to can.
Evolution of the heart:
http://genesdev.cshlp.org/content/20/19/2728.full

Now eselam, if you were honest you would apply the same standards of rigour to your idea. So please tell us, in similar detail to that of the peer-reviewed paper linked just above, how allah created the heart? And try to bear in mind that ‘pure freaking magic’ is an explanation.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
while we are on the subject, darwin was never a real biologist, he never got any degrees in macro nor micro biology nor human anatomy nor anything that has to do with biology appart from some classes.

so many peole will suffer in hell due to this one man, and his punishment may very well be greater for leading so many of you astray. what a shame.

Charles Darwin was one of the greatest scientists who has ever lived.

Please spare us your barbaric superstitions passed off as authority.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
thats not a very nice post. why get angry for nothing? you do know that it is statements like this that spark hatered around the world.

i'm not taking it personally, cos i could just say the very same thing in return to you guys.

You just did.
 

themadhair

Well-Known Member
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Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
alright hold your horses what is more rediculous:

apes became humans

humans were created, just as everything is created?

As I said, you know nothing about ToE, as this post makes clear. How can you refute a theory you know nothing about?
For example, humans ARE apes. Second, there is no reason to believe they were not also created.
It's hard to respond to questions that themselves make no sense, because they respond to a non-existent theory.

So, do you want to find out what ToE actually says, or do you prefer to continue to argue against a non-existent theory?
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
you didn't answer anything as far as i can tell.

evolution is a slow process, so lets say the heart was created firts (not neccessaraly a humans heart) then after some thousands of years blood came a long........what....a heart cannot work without blood. so just how in the world did th eheart survive?

See, that's the problem. You're refusing to look at it. It's not like a heart popped up and then blood came along. Things evolved with each other gradually. Blood and hearts evolved together. That's how evolution works. Things don't just pop up. for instance, fish with feet. Over many, many generations a species of fish that moved into marshy areas to avoid predators had its fins turn into crude legs. It wasn't like one day the fish had fins and the next they were legs. It was gradual. First they grew bone structures in the fins over many generations. Then over many more generations, that led to appendages more like legs than fins, which helped them move through the branches in the marshy area better.

or anything for that matter, how did chance know that the heart does not work without blood, or that a heart nedds to be devided into 2 sides each with 2 sub groups? please explain that to me cos it seems it's either you are not paying attention or me.

and this time answer the question. you or who ever wants to can.

You never asked this question before. You can get as huffy and puffy as you want, and claim that I must be wrong because I couldn't answer your question, but you have to ask it for me to answer.

As I described above, you're just looking at it wrong. It's not like a heart just appeared. It evolved into a heart over millions of year. It started out as something much simpler. I don't know the specific history of the heart or blood, since I'm not a biologist, but the problem here is that you don't understand what evolution is saying one bit, and you simply don't want to. You said yourself that evolution is a slow process. It's even slower than you are thinking, though. Most significant changes take millions of years, not thousands.

Remember, evolution is about a lot of little changes that add up to big changes over long periods of time. Think of this: You have a friend that you haven't seen for 5 years. During that time, he never cuts his hair and eats a lot without exercising at all. Now, by the time you see him again, he looks almost completely different. His hair is down his back, and he has a long beard, and is 280 pounds instead of 190. You would be shocked at his appearance. However, if you had seen him every week over those 5 years, you wouldn't think much of it, since you saw all of the little changes that added up to the big changes.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
right when i thought things could not possibly get any worse........... you come along.

so by your statement apes are humans right?

No. Again, it's hard to discuss things with someone who does not understand even the most elementary logic. Please pay attention to this example:

All women are people.
It does NOT follow that all people are women.

All humans are apes.
It does NOT follow that all apes are human.

Before you can discuss this subject intelligently, you need to learn two things:
1. What ToE actually says.
2. Some rudimentary logic.
 
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