Gharib
I want Khilafah back
have no idea.
just for the record what kind of a question is that?
when did your soul enter your body?
or
when did your bones get covered with meat while in the woumb of your mother?
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Evolution is False and Impossible
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have no idea.
just for the record what kind of a question is that?
when did your soul enter your body?
or
when did your bones get covered with meat while in the woumb of your mother?
Okay, so the answer is that Allah created you when your soul entered the body or when your bones got covered with flesh in your mother's womb.
Either answer is okay.
The theory of evolution does not contradict either of those ideas. It has nothing to say at all about souls, and it can even be used to support the idea of flesh covering bones.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
so how do you know that it is not the soul that is the thing that keeps me alive and not the body and that i was alive even before my body was created?
they are not an answer they were questions to you.
of course, cos thats how it is.
let me ask a question;
when a person dies they immediately wheigh 13g less, does anyone dissagree that a soul does infact exist and that is the proof for it?
Gravity is a "natural law" that we defined by observing that things fall down instead of up, and measuring how that invisible force appears to us (the speed of objects falling, the directions of objects attracted to each other, how it relates to other forces like electromagnstism, etc.)
Evolution, the way it applies to the theory of evolution, is a "natural law" that we have defined by observing that things can change in form over generations, and measuruing the nature of those changes (the colour of fur, the length of a leg, the pattern of spots on a wing, etc.)
Evolution, the way it applies to the theory of evolution, is a "natural law" that we have defined by observing that things can change in form over generations, and measuruing the nature of those changes (the colour of fur, the length of a leg, the pattern of spots on a wing, etc.)
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The theory of evolution doesn't declare "what keeps you alive." It could be the soul, that's fine. It is a theory about changes of generations of populations of living things.
Your questions, taken rhetorically, were adequate answers to the question I'd asked.
That depends on whether there is another explanation. Science looks for one explanation, but it's only one of many.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
no gravity as i understand it is a result of a non vacuum planet or land or what ever word there can be used.
what does this have to do with my previous post? you lost me.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
that is a clear explanation and clear evidence to support the notion that a soul exists. but i know none of you ca accept that, you must consult your scientists first. who would have guessed it, free thinkers.
Does the non-vacuum planet or land contradict Allah?
My intent is to show that evolution is no more threatening than gravity.
It is not "clear" in that souls are understood differently to some than your thought experiment demonstrates. To many, the soul is a spirit and so has no physical weight. So there are other explanations.
To me, it is something else entirely.
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Please show us
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
do you like rough rides darkendless?
how about i shoot you from a cannon and we wigh you afterwards?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Actually, they say it's 21 grams. No, it's not proof of a soul. I'm sure you want to see it that way, like many other members of an Abrahamic religion. However, it's more likely that it's just the air leaving the body, or something like that. Regardless, it's certainly not "proof" of anything.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
don't think so
don't think so.
Allah (swt) says that he created us without evolving from monkeys, so how exactly will you do that?
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
so where do the 13 or 21 grams appear from? or lost from
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
What do you mean "appear from"? If you actually read what I said, it could easily be air leaving the body. Even if not that, the soul leaving the body isn't exactly the most likely explanation, just the one you most want it to be.
In that same vein, though, air leaving the body is only the explanation you most want it to be (if if it turns out to be reasonable). Aestethics touches on science, too.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
No, I don't really care whether it's a soul of air or anything else. Air is just the simplest, most likely explanation, and a soul is the least likely explanation.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
Did Allah actually mention monkies?
I have to confess I haven't read his book yet.
no i'm saying monkeys, silly.
he only says that we were created in our full form, not evolving from anything.
but humans have been turned to apes and pigs.
Right! And that idea is not contradicted by the changes that occur in populations of living things over generations. It's all about the flow of nature.
In a sense, one could see Allah's hand at work in every little change.
Figuratively, yes.