Evolution is False and Impossible

[Willamena]

No, I don't really care whether it's a soul of air or anything else. Air is just the simplest, most likely explanation, and a soul is the least likely explanation.

But "the simplest, most likely explanation," whatever it may be, be it air, soul, or something else, is an aesthetic choice when asserted by either party with the disclaimer that they don't really know.

(Edit: or even that they do)

 

[Magic Man]

But "the simplest, most likely explanation," whatever it may be, be it air, soul, or something else, is an aesthetic choice when asserted by either party with the disclaimer that they don't really know.

(Edit: or even that they do)

Not really sure what you're getting at. Here's the point. The fact that we lose 21 grams at death is not proof of a soul. It's possible that losing our soul is the reason we lose that weight at death. However, it's at least as likely, if not more so, that it's something simple and mundane like air leaving the body.

If it is actually the soul leaving the body, I'd be fine with that. If it's just something ordinary like air, then I'm fine with that, too. I dont' care one way or the other. I just think it's silly to say "See? It's proof that there's a soul", when it's not even close.

 

[Willamena]

Were you created in your full form? I know I was; and yet, my body grew and changed over the years of life. Yours did too. Each moment of life is, figuratively, a "birth in full form". And each moment, each change, is full in its form --Allah gives birth to change, too.

But if that doesn't make sense, look at this way: evolution is not about you or me or how we were born, it's about large populations of living things over many generations.

 

[Willamena]

Not really sure what you're getting at. Here's the point.

haha

I love when you do that (like I didn't have a point).

 

[Willamena]

However, it's at least as likely, if not more so, that it's something simple and mundane like air leaving the body.

Considering the (supra-) "nature" of soul as I understand it, I do not disagree.

 

[Magic Man]

haha

I love when you do that (like I didn't have a point).

No, I'm sure you had a point, I just don't know what it was, so I wanted to clarify my position.

 

[Gharib]

No, I'm sure you had a point, I just don't know what it was, so I wanted to clarify my position.

why did you have to ruin it?

 

[Magic Man]

why did you have to ruin it?

Huh?

 

[painted wolf]

Actually it's not just air that bodies loose at death that accounts for the missing weight.
Dead bodies also loose the contents of their bladders and lower intestines.

Death is a messy process... but unless one is suggesting that the soul is made of urine and feces, that missing weight is useless.

Also the man who did the 'experiment' back in 1907 wasn't exactly working with the best instruments... or the best way to tell if someone was actually dead. Add to that he only studied six people, two had be ignored because they gave bad measurements and only one actually did what he expected to....
It's not exactly good or convincing science.

wa:do

 

[Autodidact]

hey guys why all the hate and arrogance?

What are you talking about? We're just trying to help you learn something. Do you want to learn? Or do you prefer to remain ignorant?

i don't see why anyone has to get angry over nothing, we can just talk like humans you know. oh my bad i forgot i'm the only human around. :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

What makes you think we're angry? You seem to confuse "right" with "angry."

ok it seems i mixed up evolution with how we came to be, so take it easy some of you ok. i'm human after all, i do get mistaken sometimes, you guys should try it some time. :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

Of course you're human, and you don't know anything about the subject. The question is, do you think you should learn, or do you think your ignorance gives you authority to pontificate?

 

[Autodidact]

i believe that killing is ok, even though god say it is not, so i will go to heaven right?

if you are a muslim, Allah (swt) says that he created us,

We all agree that Allah created us, O.K.? The question is not whether Allah created us, the question is, how did he do so?

we never evolved from some common ancestor,

Does it say that in the Q'uran?

infact people have been turned to pigs and apes,

Really? Can you cite an actual case?

they probably got turned to chimps thats why you see the close relationship. but who knows appart from god?

So science is useless then?

 

[Autodidact]

lets just reverse that to yourself by also adding:

some men that were once babies and no nothing of their future are going to tell god how humans came to be?




this is were i got mixed up.



try convincind atheists that god created us and then he set evolution in motion, just as you are asserting.

look i know about evolution, do we have to go through this so many times.

evolution is a proces that uses "natural" selection (the reason why i reffer to chance) where the species that best addopt to the habbitat will survive and reproduce blah blah blah, and we can go on forever.

First of all, for the purpose of this thread, let's all agree that Allah created all things, O.K.? Just to clarify that we're not arguing about that. The only question is, how?

Second, if you know so much about evolution, why do you keep stating it incorrectly? Are you a liar? Everything you say about the Theory of Evolution (ToE) is wrong. So either you don't get it, or you're deliberately mis-stating it. Which?

For example, do you see that natural selection is the opposite of chance?

 

[Willamena]

What are you talking about? We're just trying to help you learn something. Do you want to learn? Or do you prefer to remain ignorant?

Yeah.. that would be what he's talking about.

 

[Autodidact]

who gave you the authority to speak in my name?

He's quoting you, eselam. You said that anyone who accepts ToE will go to hell. Therefore, you must believe that if you accept ToE, you will go to hell. Do you believe that?

 

[Autodidact]

don't think so



don't think so.

Allah (swt) says that he created us without evolving from monkeys, so how exactly will you do that?

Where does it say that?

 

[Autodidact]

Not really sure what you're getting at. Here's the point. The fact that we lose 21 grams at death is not proof of a soul. It's possible that losing our soul is the reason we lose that weight at death. However, it's at least as likely, if not more so, that it's something simple and mundane like air leaving the body.

If it is actually the soul leaving the body, I'd be fine with that. If it's just something ordinary like air, then I'm fine with that, too. I dont' care one way or the other. I just think it's silly to say "See? It's proof that there's a soul", when it's not even close.

Actually, we don't lose anything. It was an error. Further attempts failed to find any loss of weight at death.

 

[Jose Fly]

eselam,

who gave you the authority to speak in my name?

As has been pointed out, I quoted your own words.

Do you believe that recognizing evolution as valid results in a person going to hell?

 

[fantome profane]

when a person dies they immediately wheigh 13g less, does anyone dissagree that a soul does infact exist and that is the proof for it?

so where do the 13 or 21 grams appear from? or lost from

This nonsense is based on some crude experiments (and some cruel experiments) preformed that were conducted by Dr. Duncan MacDougall in 1907. You can imagine the quality of the scales use as well as the method used for determining the exact moment of death. He records 6 experiments conducted on dying humans, two of these he did not manage to get any results, the other four showed mixed results which have been averaged out to “21 grams”. So all of this nonsense is based on four experiments conducted over a century ago by one man. This is certainly not proof of a soul.

The sick part of all this is that the experiments conducted on humans were repeated with 15 dogs. These were of course not dying dogs, at least not until the good doctor got his hands on them. To me the conclusion that should be drawn from these experiments are that if the soul can be weighted, Dr. Duncan MacDougall’s soul would likely come up a little light.

www.snopes.com - Soul Man

Wikipedia - Duncan_MacDougall_(doctor)

 

[Gharib]

We all agree that Allah created us, O.K.? The question is not whether Allah created us, the question is, how did he do so?

just like everything else. he said BECOME and we became.

but i am convinced you meant to ask FROM WHAT he created us right?

Does it say that in the Q'uran?

no it says that we were created perfectly, a perfect design. we did not elvolve, the "we have not evolved fom monkeys" part is from me, my words.

Really? Can you cite an actual case?

in the time of Moses (as), th emuslims of that time would constantly break the laws of Allah (swt). they would go fisshing everyday and Allah (swt) would bring the fish to them (into shore) rather than them going to sea to get them. i think this was due to a promise that Allah (swt) may have made with the muslims of prophet Moses's time. but it may not be one of the promises. i'm not too sure.
however, Moses (as) gets a message from god saying that no one is to go fishing on a particular saturday, but like always they broke the order and Allah (swt) turned them into monkeys.

i don't really know the story of the pigs, actually now that i think of it, i'm not too sure if Allah (swt) has turned people into pigs, anyway leave this.

So science is useless then?

no science is from god, but scientists are twisting the reality due to them not wanting proof to lead to the notion that GOD EXISTS. and he created us, thus the THEORY of "evolution" came to be. to lead people astray from god.

 

[Gharib]

eselam,

As has been pointed out, I quoted your own words.

Do you believe that recognizing evolution as valid results in a person going to hell?

i do not know, i'm not god to decide who will go to hell and who wont. if god wishes, he can forgive the sinns of the most sinful person to have ever lived on earth, no one can question him.

but god says he created us in a perfect form (not through evolution) so this is probably why it is mentioned, god knew that people will get tricked by the evolution theory so he states it in his book so that those who do believe in evolution do not have an excuse in judgement day.