Evolution My ToE

[Audie]

I examine and compare what I believe with what is observed. It always fits. Seems to.

Of course it always seems to. That is kind of the
point of what I've said about ignorance and self deception.

 

[Audie]

I am not @Jose Fly ’s enemy, and never will be (he’s my cousin); it is telling, though, that you label me as such.

FYI, I’m not your enemy, either.

Not a personal enemy; of rational logical honest and
unsuperstitious thought, yes.

As promoters of such regressive anti intellectualism,
fundies are definitely public enemies.

Telling that you think I labelled you as our friend's
enemy when you were not mentioned? Have you
made him unwelcome? Why must you insert
yourself where you dont belong?

 

[Audie]

It is always a puzzle to me, how so many don’t want to understand how the Supreme Being, the Almighty, Creator & perfect Judge, can make decisions resulting in others’ deaths...as if He can’t restore that life.

It’s what His Word promises. ( Called the Resurrection.)

If someone were to tell you, “If you hurt my kids, then I’ll hurt yours, and hurt you, too”....it would probably act as a pretty strong deterrent, what do you think?

That’s why, in the Biblical context, those Canaanites deserved what they got...they knew what happened to Egypt, with the Ten plagues. Rahab’s statement confirms it. (Joshua 2:8-11.)

Jehovah is always justified (Deuteronomy 32:4), especially as it relates to protecting His servants. — 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9

We underdtand it just fine. What we dont quite get is how
anyone can manage to rationalize and believe such garbage.

 

[Audie]

This sort of thinking can lead to the justification of any atrocity. All one has to do is claim God wants it done and buildings come down and kiddies get brained.

Can? It has been working great for centuries and
certain public enemies are still teaching it.

 

[Audie]

We underdtand it just fine. What we dont quite get is how
anyone can manage to rationalize and believe such evil garbage.

 

[Jim]

The theory of evolution that is, the part that says, "All life descended from one universal common ancestor", is based entirely on an idea, which is based on the presupposition thatoit must be true, based entirely on assumptions, guesswork, and made up stories designed as evidence to support observed facts.

In my Web searches I’ve seen researchers discussing some different ideas about trees of life and about universal common ancestors. They might have different personal views about how much literal truth there is in the diagrams that they’re discussing, but I don’t think that’s what the discussion is really about. I think that what the discussion is really about is what is the best model to use to organize information about species of plants and animals. I see some researchers saying that it’s a balance between accuracy and simplicity, and that different models might be better for different purposes, and I agree with that.

Personally, I don’t think of Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 as physical descriptions of how God created the universe, and I don’t think of the universe as being less than 10,000 years old, but I don’t see anything that researchers are saying about trees of life and universal common ancestors as arguments against that view. My response to people thinking of it that way has been to learn more about what researchers are saying about their research and start some discussions about what I’ve been learning.

 

[Audie]

In my Web searches I’ve seen researchers discussing some different ideas about trees of life and about universal common ancestors. They might have different personal views about how much literal truth there is in the diagrams that they’re discussing, but I don’t think that’s what the discussion is really about. I think that what the discussion is really about is what is the best model to use to organize information about species of plants and animals. I see some researchers saying that it’s a balance between accuracy and simplicity, and that different models might be better for different purposes, and I agree with that.

Personally, I don’t think of Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 as physical descriptions of how God created the universe, and I don’t think of the universe as being less than 10,000 years old, but I don’t see anything that researchers are saying about trees of life and universal common ancestors as arguments against that view. My response to people thinking of it that way has been to learn more about what researchers are saying about their research and start some discussions about what I’ve been learning.

More to the point is that everything npeace said is just bs

 

[dad]

Men don't have devils..

You keep us posted on what spirits exist or not eh? Since you do not apparently so much as believe in them, good luck with that.

 

[dad]

You really don't know? When the Hebrews left Egypt in the myth the kingdom of Egypt extended almost all the way to modern Turkey. Your fairy tale has Moses running away from Egypt and back into Egypt.

I see. What was the year of the Exodus? (supported of course)

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Can? It has been working great for centuries and
certain public enemies are still teaching it.

I was thinking of future action among those that have not yet engaged in it. This sort of thinking grooms them to support or engage in such action. The historical record supports that prediction.

The baby bashers felt the righteous fervor of having God on their side as justification for their actions without any evidence this was more than people on people atrocity.

He wants others to find that same false justification.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You keep us posted on what spirits exist or not eh? Since you do not apparently so much as believe in them, good luck with that.

Your demons are in the same category as the Easter Bunny. How is your belief in that going?

 

[Jim]

More to the point is that everything npeace said is just bs

Yes, you did. (Why won’t you admit that?)
From how you replied, it’s obvious....”As you noted yourself, no matter what species we find in the Cambrian (or just prior), you believe they came about "without Jehovah's guidance", do you not?”

“Without Jehovah’s guidance”, prior to the Cambrian?

If you’re going to misrepresent what I wrote, and then not own it....this will be fruitless.

Another thing...”without Jehovah’s guidance” was specifically applying to the harmful parasitic organisms that have evolved “after Eden”, not to speciation in general. Speciation (within their respective family taxa) has occurred since their creation. Only, after Eden, it was without Jehovah’s guidance

Do you have any idea as to why JW’s believe Jehovah God created the genome with the ability to mutate? One reason...so we all wouldn’t look alike. But there’s another; any idea?

This may or may not be relevant to your interests in this thread, but I thought it might interest you. I’ve been poking around in the writings of researchers in evolution to see what I think they’re actually saying. There might be some who are trying to discredit some beliefs about what the Bible says, but that isn’t what their discussions between them are about. The discussions between them are about what kind of diagram to use as a sort of index to all species of plants and animals, and what to call it. There might be some disagreement between them about how much literal truth there is in the idea of a universal common ancestor, but that has little or nothing to do with what the models are used for or how they are used. Using what they say as arguments against beliefs about what the Bible says looks to me like misunderstanding and misusing the models and metaphors of the sciences. My response to that has been to learn more about what the researchers are actually saying, and posting in the forums about what I’ve been learning.

 

[dad]

The fact of life of the Hebrews is the laws and mandates of God. It is described as being mandated by God as far as foreign captured slaves. The references have been already provided many times.

No where in the Bible is slavery condemned.

The fact of life on earth in the time of the Hebrews was that slavery was part of life. If you were organizing and raising up a people and nation at that time would you not deal with it? God did.

The way He dealt with that particular wickedness and oppression by wicked mankind was to set rules regarding it. God used slavery also because His rebelling people had to be punished at times and this involved them losing the freedom He gave them!
God also used the military of wicked nations to punish other nations as required. That does not mean He likes war. That does not mean He thought the tools used to correct His people were pure and holy or righteous.
God used soldiers to kill His son. That does not mean that the Roman empire and military were pure and good! On the contrary.
God used Satan to test the couple in the garden. That does not mean Satan was good.
God used the flood to rid the world of great evil. That does not mean huge floods are wonderful and good.
God used fire from heaven to destroy perverted wicked cities. That does not mean that He recommends you sticking your head in a barbq!
God uses what is here in the world for His purposes, and He tells us all that is in the world is evil!

What is good is to love people and show them Salvation, and feed the poor and heal, and do good. Believers are to treat employees (whether called slaves, soldiers, sweat shop workers, cashiers, underground economy employess, maids etc etc) fairly and kindly. That is what God says about slavery.

He also died a horrible painful death to set slaves free! All people on earth that have not accepted Christ are slaves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't try and tell us He does not want to set them free.

 

[dad]

Your demons are in the same category as the Easter Bunny. How is your belief in that going?

Great, keep us posted on what spirits are real. We care.

 

[dad]

Can? It has been working great for centuries and
certain public enemies are still teaching it.

Millions of kiddies get brained each year by liberated women. Liberated of all decency and conscience. Christians feed millions and heal millions and save millions of kiddies each year.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

This may or may not be relevant to your interests in this thread, but I thought it might interest you. I’ve been poking around in the writings of researchers in evolution to see what I think they’re actually saying. There might be some who are trying to discredit some beliefs about what the Bible says, but that isn’t what their discussions between them are about. The discussions between them are about what kind of diagram to use as a sort of index to all species of plants and animals, and what to call it. There might be some disagreement between them about how much literal truth there is in the idea of a universal common ancestor, but that has little or nothing to do with what the models are used for or how they are used. Using what they say as arguments against beliefs about what the Bible says looks to me like misunderstanding and misusing the models and metaphors of the sciences. My response to that has been to learn more about what the researchers are actually saying, and posting in the forums about what I’ve been learning.

The claims of Genesis are not supported by the evidence. The evidence calls those claims into question, but this is only important to anyone that demands the Bible be interpreted literally. A literal interpretation is not a prerequisite for belief in God.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Your demons are in the same category as the Easter Bunny. How is your belief in that going?

I think some people are battling demons of another sort entirely. But mental health science is advancing to help them.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

This may or may not be relevant to your interests in this thread, but I thought it might interest you. I’ve been poking around in the writings of researchers in evolution to see what I think they’re actually saying. There might be some who are trying to discredit some beliefs about what the Bible says, but that isn’t what their discussions between them are about. The discussions between them are about what kind of diagram to use as a sort of index to all species of plants and animals, and what to call it. There might be some disagreement between them about how much literal truth there is in the idea of a universal common ancestor, but that has little or nothing to do with what the models are used for or how they are used. Using what they say as arguments against beliefs about what the Bible says looks to me like misunderstanding and misusing the models and metaphors of the sciences. My response to that has been to learn more about what the researchers are actually saying, and posting in the forums about what I’ve been learning.

I would add that those that demand a literal interpretation do not follow it literally either. They make their own interpretation and declare that as literal. Some among them accuse Satan, the dad of lies as the perp misleading one interpretation over another.

 

[John53]

It is always a puzzle to me, how so many don’t want to understand how the Supreme Being, the Almighty, Creator & perfect Judge, can make decisions resulting in others’ deaths...as if He can’t restore that life.

It's a puzzle to me how so many can justify the most brutal actions by twisting the meaning of a few simple words.

If someone were to tell you, “If you hurt my kids, then I’ll hurt yours, and hurt you, too”....it would probably act as a pretty strong deterrent, what do you think?

I think it leads to a never ending circle of violence and hate.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It's a puzzle to me how so many can justify the most brutal actions by twisting the meaning of a few simple words.



I think it leads to a never ending circle of violence and hate.

Various religious documents have historically been reinterpreted so that the 'true' meaning be revealed so that the race around the circle can continue.

This is what happens when things people write are deified.