Evolution My ToE

[Subduction Zone]

Here's an interesting one, from National Geographic about the melting ice in Antarctica. It was nice to see the photos, gives me another picture of the world.
What the World Would Look Like if All the Ice Melted
Now they say if all the ice melted (and it would take time, but -- temps are rising in the oceans) many major cities and parts of the coasts would be under water. Sea levels would rise 200 feet, scientists predict. Now combine that with a large, long rainfall.

Rain would do practically nothing. There are at most a few inches of water in the atmosphere if you average it out. And the ice sheets do not help the Noah's Ark myth either. Don't you realize that they have been there for longer than man has been on this Earth? In fact one of the easy refutations of the Noah's Ark myth is the fact that ice floats.

 

[Valjean]

Pretty much. Biology is terminally ill.

How so? It seems to me biology has never been healthier.

Sorry, I am not going to bring you up to speed on how ancient history indeed was resplendent with references of gods and spirits. If you doubt it and are too lazy to research it, too bad. I'll let the lurkers determine what is the truth of the issue.

Epistemic poppycock!
That speaks more to human psychology and anthropology than to any ontological truth.

 

[Valjean]

So...you present your evidence, but ignore mine? Got it.

Actually, your evidence is lack of, which isn’t evidence.

Lack of evidence where evidence would be expected is evidence.

But I’ll reply:
What was an ancient nomadic people (for only 40 years) supposed to leave behind, @Valjean ? Candy wrappers?

Bones, mummified bodies, tools, household goods, coprolites, &c.

They didn’t build any structures...they lived in tents.

For 40 years? They remained nomadic?
Even so. deserts preserve -- tent poles, skins, &c. Then there is all the rest: bones, household goods, charcoal, &c.
We've found australopithicene fossils several million years old in northern Africa, from a time when they were a very rare species. A massive population of Homo from <3,000 years ago would be expected to leave voluminous evidence.

And the Bible highlights some miracles were involved: their clothing and sandals never wore out. (Deuteronomy 8:4) The manna was provided, but couldn’t even be saved for the next day.... except on the Sabbath.

Exactly! Only an argument from magic could support the Exodus account.

And why are there chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea?

LOL! I'm sure you'll find all sorts of human artifacts at the bottom of such an intensively navigated waterway.

Why would a fleeing people head East toward an impassable barrier? Were they that ignorant of geography?
The obvious route -- the only one out of Africa; away from Egyptian territory and into the middle East -- would be North, through the papyrus swamps ("sea of reeds") at the mouth of the Nile, and through what's now Palestine.

 

[Valjean]

Please...Ancient peoples were known for downplaying nationally-humiliating events, even erasing evidence of such.

I don't think archaeologists are looking for evidence from the Pharaonic newspapers of the day.
Massive disruptions as described in the Bible would leave physical evidence.

I guess you think the Jewish Passover is based on lies, then?

Let's call it "folklore."

 

[Valjean]

Here's an interesting one, from National Geographic about the melting ice in Antarctica. It was nice to see the photos, gives me another picture of the world.
What the World Would Look Like if All the Ice Melted
Now they say if all the ice melted (and it would take time, but -- temps are rising in the oceans) many major cities and parts of the coasts would be under water. Sea levels would rise 200 feet, scientists predict. Now combine that with a large, long rainfall.

YoursTrue, the world flood is not credible from so many different reasons I couldn't list them.
I'd point you to Aron Ra's series of eight YouTube videos explaining the incredibility of The Flood from multiple disciplines.

 

[shunyadragon]

If there is something from the link you want to post do so. I saw nothing even relative.

I did see this

"Evidence for the impact origin of the crater includes shocked quartz,[7] a gravity anomaly, and tektites in surrounding areas."

Yes there is shocked quartz, so not prove that the direction was up to down?

This evidence is known to associated with meteorites only with extreme heat from impact.

Irrelevant. If the impact was from below going up we still get these!

No we do not. Not even from volcanics is there any evidence from shocked quartz, and tektites.

How about if the innards of the planet gushed them up? Not a lot of time needed then.

You trying to apply them to a different nature is a dismal grasping at straws.

It is based on objective verifiable evidence, and you have presented to support your assertions base don a religious agenda.

Never said time was different here, [/quote]

Yes you have claiming a Biblical scenario versus a billions of years of earth history not based on the evidence. Also the vast amount of volcanics, continental drift, glaciation, erosion, and mountain building you want to squeeze into a very short period of time.

and of course processes would be different if nature was! The issue you avoid is that you must prove a same nature existed if you want to use it's rules.

The objective verifiable evidence demonstrates a uniform processes of nature over billions of years, and again . . . you have not presented any evidence on the contrary.

Faster deposition in the former nature, combined with uplift..subduction..shoving continents around..piling thing up..in some areas etc etc.

etc. etc is not based on any evidence, and no your scenario violates basic Newtonian physics, and the Laws of Thermodynamics.

I agree. Much was here before the flood year and much happened after.

No, the vaste limestones, salt, and gypsum deposits cannot possibly be deposited in a short period of time.

Waiting for your evidence to support your assertions base don a religious agenda.

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't think archaeologists are looking for evidence from the Pharaonic newspapers of the day.
Massive disruptions as described in the Bible would leave physical evidence.
Let's call it "folklore."

Actually there is evidence for some of plagues and swarms of insects in Egyptian history, but . . . the events are not as recorded in the Bible The existence of Moses is possible under a different name as a rebellious member of the Royal house of Egypt in a very fractious bad time in Egyptian history associated with some of these disruptions, because Moses is likely a title and not his real name. There is some parallel history in Egypt but not exactly as Exodus records it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

YoursTrue, the world flood is not credible from so many different reasons I couldn't list them.
I'd point you to Aron Ra's series of eight YouTube videos explaining the incredibility of The Flood from multiple disciplines.

Here is a link to the play list for that series:

How Aron Ra Disproves Noah's flood - YouTube

 

[shunyadragon]

I truly doubt an animal can understand what is read to him from, let's say, a newspaper. Or a written notice from the housing development.

Well . . . your still neglecting the facts of the evidence and resorting to selective extreme examples, and neglecting the fact that human attributes of intelligence is by degree and not in an absolute sense. Whales and other animals have been demonstrated to have sophisticates languages and like in whales have different languages or dialects from pod to pod. Animals have been shown to have their own languages, and we cannot understand them either, but apparently by the evidence dogs understand us better than we understand them. There is also evidence of tool use among animals passed down by being taught from generation to generation. Problem solving has been shown to be a sophisticated attribute of many animals.

Evolution demonstrates these differences by degree in the evolving nature of life, and specifically in the evolution of humanity.

What is the reason of this dive off topic? I can in a separate thread, document the evolution of intelligence in the animal kingdom including the evolution of intelligence in our primate lineage.

 

[SkepticThinker]

When was that an issue?

When you claimed that Adam was created by a god.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Pretty much. Biology is terminally ill.

Huh?

 

[Jose Fly]

LMFAO!! Oh thank you for the best laugh that I have had today. Nothing tells us more about the incompetence of literalists than the photographs of Ron Wyatt of recent materials from ships.

Once again, if you value your toes stay away from firearms of any sort. You must have known that it was my birthday.

Wait....wait..... @Hockeycowboy cited Ron Wyatt? Oh that's just too rich!

 

[dad]

How so? It seems to me biology has never been healthier.

The knowledge of the Lord shall fill the earth one day. That is how.

That speaks more to human psychology and anthropology than to any ontological truth.

I guess we have to take this as your outright denial that there were gods and spirits heavily referenced in ancient history?

 

[dad]

This evidence is known to associated with meteorites only with extreme heat from impact.

Doesn't say much since many meteorite ALSO probably originated there, and some maybe exactly there!

No we do not. Not even from volcanics is there any evidence from shocked quartz, and tektites.

Why would there be?? I think they come from the impact site if I recall..no? The issue is only whether the impact was from below or not.

Yes you have claiming a Biblical scenario versus a billions of years of earth history not based on the evidence.

False . In fact I have repeatedly stated that time was basically the same because a year was 360 days.

Also the vast amount of volcanics, continental drift, glaciation, erosion, and mountain building you want to squeeze into a very short period of time.

Much of it yes. Of course. In the former nature that was no problem, the only problem comes in sticking your pre determined beliefs into the equation.

The objective verifiable evidence demonstrates a uniform processes of nature over billions of years, and again . . . you have not presented any evidence on the contrary.

False. In other words you have used the observed present nature processes to model the past by blind faith.

 

[dad]

When you claimed that Adam was created by a god.

Of course he was created by the One True Almighty God., the bible makes that clear. You have no evidence to the contrary and the bible is highly supported, so can be believed in areas that man can't check.

 

[dad]

Huh?

All evo infested and infected sciences will forever vanish soon. The truth will march on over their corpses laughing all the way and singing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wait....wait..... @Hockeycowboy cited Ron Wyatt? Oh that's just too rich!

What some do not know is that Ron Wyatt was a Seventh Day Adventist. They are a sect that interprets Genesis literally and even they called Wyatt a fraud. You would think that creationists would know better than to use his photographs of recent nautical disasters or even trash. Have you seen the pictures of brass ship's valve wheels that Ron identified as golden Egyptian chariot wheels? Did they think that the Egyptians were incredibly wealthy and extremely poor engineers? Even a gold alloy would make a very poor material for a wheel. If there were "golden wheels" from that time it would be wooden wheel with gold hammered over it. One can spread gold very very thinly. And wood actually works as a wheel. Sadly they do not last for 3,000 years under saltwater. As has been pointed out by other Ron Wyatt was the Indiana Jones of Biblical archaeology. He found everything and anything and like Indy, his finds were all fictitious.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course he was created by the One True Almighty God., the bible makes that clear. You have no evidence to the contrary and the bible is highly supported, so can be believed in areas that man can't check.

If the Bible is highly supported then why can't you support it? All you can do is to make empty claims.

At times I think that you may simply be a master-poe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All evo infested and infected sciences will forever vanish soon. The truth will march on over their corpses laughing all the way and singing.

How long have we heard that line now? It must be about 150 years or so. Hmm, just like Jesus's promise to come back in the lifetime of the people in the room with him. Those are some pretty spry apostles!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Of course he was created by the One True Almighty God., the bible makes that clear. You have no evidence to the contrary and the bible is highly supported, so can be believed in areas that man can't check.

@dad , you might enjoy this:

http://www.2001translation.com/Authenticity.htm