Evolution My ToE

[Shad]

You know that complex languages have evolved in many mammals because?? Now another question -- do you think another "population" emerged--what "language" did they speak?
Of course many humans cannot understand Shakespeare in another language, or even their native tongue. So? This argument actually goes against your figuring that complex language is a genetically evolved idea.

Native English speakers should have no issues with Early Modern English.

 

[Shad]

Shakespeare is written in English. At least, the English that was spoken at the time.

Early Modern English.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I really don't know anything about Wyatt or his work. I will say this, however. The desert is a large place. Some rulers do like to change history to put themselves in the light. The history in Exodus is quite interesting, I will look at it again because the Israelites, large as the population was, did not establish roots there in the Sinai wilderness, but in that 40 year trek they stayed at many places. I am pretty sure they took their bowls and implements with them.

The desert may be huge, but it has been scoured. Have you forgotten how large the Exodus was in the myth? It was on the order of 2 million people according to the Bible. When one can find signs of older and much smaller nomadic tribes but none of the supposed Exodus it tells us that it probably did not happen at all as told.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Change of language is not inherited, as genes are.

This is wrong on two levels. First you are raising a petty objection to an analogy. Analogies are not perfect. They are used to get an idea across. This makes your objection not only wrong but also dishonest to a degree. Second you are wrong factually. Families do start their own idioms and pass them on. They are sometimes swapped and adopted by other families making those changes similar to genes swapped by bacteria and other simple life.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Psychiatrists may have a name for people who do awful things such as psychopath or sociopath or sadist etc. -- and maybe figure they had a messed up upbringing, but they can't really figure what makes a serial killer or someone who does terrible, awful hurtful things to others, I do agree that it is astounding with all the horrible, hurtful things people are doing. Sometimes a lawyer will get up in front of the court asking for mercy for his client, bringing out that he had a bad, bad upbringing.

Don't put yourself down. Creationists are not that bad.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you can provide the transportation papers from the Supreme Council of Antiquities right? I will wait.

Wyatts was a fraud.









It was coral, nothing more. The Cairo Museum never had it. Wyatts was lying.

Yep, it was a less photoshopped version of the photo from one of the Ron Wyatt websites (there are several "official Ron Wyatt" websites. Here it is with a bit of photoshop:

That is some pretty poor photoshop if you ask me. If you follow the link below and click on the image you will see it blown up a bit. You will die laughing. No mention of the photoshop unless it is buried deep in the text on that page.

Meanwhile this is one of my favorite un-photoshopped images. Another "Egyptian chariot wheel". Oddly enough it looks a lot like modern brass valve wheels:

RED SEA CROSSING | Wyatt Archaeological Research

 

[shunyadragon]

You know that complex languages have evolved in many mammals because??

. . . because human speech and written language in Neolithic cultures is evolved from the primitive to the complex just as humans as with all life physically evolved by the evidence.

Now another question -- do you think another "population" emerged--what "language" did they speak?

I do not think one way or another. It is a matter of fact that written and spoken languages evolved over the known history of humanity and before. Animals like whales have complex languages with dialects that cannot be understood between pods. Did you know that there is primitive Neolithic culture the Hadza speak in sounds like clicks, and mimic the sounds of the animals around them, and do not have any form of written language.

I go by the evidence that language like all human attributes evolved and can be found in other mammals in different forms.

Of course many humans cannot understand Shakespeare in another language, or even their native tongue. So? This argument actually goes against your figuring that complex language is a genetically evolved idea.

No it does not go against the evolution of languages in fact it supports it, along with the known primitive forms of Neolithic cultures with primitive language.

 

[Jose Fly]

So what do you believe? Are humans fallible, are all humans fallible, and how do you determine fallibility? Thanks.

Of course humans are fallible (they are not perfect).

 

[ecco]

To begin with, the desert is a large place. That's to begin with.

[sarcasm]Yes, it is. By golly, you must be right. The dumb archaeologists have just been looking in the wrong part of the desert for 100 + years. I'm sure with newer and better tech coming along, it just a matter of time before scientists find evidence of 2.4 million people wandering the wilderness for forty years.[/sarcasm]

God put ten plagues onto Egypt. You would think, after all that, that He would have helped them find their way. In any case, there are a lot of landmarks specified in the scripture. If Biblical scholars know where they started and where they ended their trek 40 years later, the desert is not such a large place.

Forty years time, roughly 400 miles = 10 miles/year = < 1mile/month.

 

[ecco]

Sorry, I am not going to bring you up to speed on how ancient history indeed was resplendent with references of gods and spirits. If you doubt it and are too lazy to research it, too bad.

We were not talking about "references" to anything. You were asserting that gods and spirits actually ruled countries.

I Googled "what countries were ruled by spirits".

No Countries were listed.

I'll let the lurkers determine what is the truth of the issue.

So far you are the only person arguing for your nonsense. Everyone else is basically saying you are FoS. So, I guess the lurkers have voted - what you say is not truth. Do I really need to specify that if something is not truth it is lies?

 

[ecco]

"Amaterasu (天照), Amaterasu-ōmikami (天照大神／天照大御神／天照皇大神), or Ōhirume-no-muchi-no-kami (大日孁貴神) is a deity of the Japanese myth cycle and also a major deity of the Shinto religion. She is seen as the goddess of the sun and the universe."

Amaterasu - Wikipedia

Since Japan goes way back before the time you mention, we could assume that they got the goddess thing from somewhere in their history.

Do you understand the meaning of your cut and paste? Of course you don't.

Do you think that a comment that says that a deity is part of a Japanese myth cycle is meant to assert that the deity is/was real? Do you not understand the meaning of the word "myth"?

myth
/miTH/
noun

1. 1.
   a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
   
   
2. a widely held but false belief or idea.

Are you so desperate to try to convince yourself of your childish beliefs that you must try to distort basic English written words?

 

[ecco]

As much as you might respect Caligula, Nero, and other Caesars, I find them disgusting murderous demonic despots.

Where have I discussed Caligula, Nero, and other Caesars? Why do you have such problems keeping track of conversations?

 

[shunyadragon]

You just don’t remove valuable historical items from a country without permission. And he was not a criminal, FWIK.

No, there was some item related to the Israelite exodus from Egypt — and honestly, I can’t remember what it was...a chariot wheel, perhaps — that was in the possession of the Cairo Museum, but now some claim it is “lost.”

There are whole chariots in Egyptian museums for comparison, and none resemble these phoneys.

 

[ecco]

But people are more vicious & selfish than ever.

Your God, sometime after killing nearly all humans and animals, foisted ten plagues on Egypt causing great harm to those people. Why did He do those things?

 

[ecco]

Although Einstein said, more or less, he had enough of life and did not wish to prolong it when he was ill--and that he believed the Bible was a book of myths,

Actually he said Christianity was childish.

 

[ecco]

Native English speakers should have no issues with Early Modern English.

I have problems understanding Van Morrison speaking "English".

 

[dad]

@dad , you might enjoy this:

http://www.2001translation.com/Authenticity.htm

Thanks, some interesting stuff in there. On the science and reasons why, I don't hold the same ideas, but for some things the link had good info.

 

[dad]

Actually he said Christianity was childish.

It seems to have outlived him.

 

[dad]

Here's the thing, scientists can (and have) back up their claims about evolution with mountains and mountains of evidence collected over 150+ years by multiple independent groups of scientists in multiple different fields of science, all over the world. All the evidence points to evolution.

Not a single iota of proof actually. Total religion.
Pretending will get you nowhere.

 

[dad]

Simply the most bizzaro answer you could give. Shocked quartz and tektites only form on impact.

Great so if the impact was from below going upwards, voila.

. . . but 66 million years does not equal 6000-10,000.

Exactly. Yet so called science belief based imaginary time conflates the two.

False we observe past nature of our physical existence based on the objective verifiable evidence.

Other way round. You observe nature today and ascribe all we see to having been a result of that. Gong.

Where is the evidence that the natural processes are not the same as today?

Where is the evidence that the natural processes were the same as today?