Evolution of Human

[FearGod]

I literally just quoted your line from earlier. I'll do it again here:

"Only stupids and dumps can believe that Homo Sapiens spent 190000 years to start planting and building."

You're calling anyone who believes that it took 190,000 years for humans to develop farming or building stupid. Hence, you are calling me - and many other posters on this board, stupid.

No that is an opinion and not an insult, you may say it is stupid to believe that God does exist while there is no evidence, i won't feel that you are insulting me but just expressing your opinion.

That's like asking me to explain baking by the process of evolution. Evolution didn't play a part in the development of language, beyond giving us vocal chords which enabled us to form words. But forming language was a result of that evolutionary change, not the intent of it. We found a way to use our vocal chords to great effect in communication. Evolution didn't teach us language, it just resulted in us having the tools to develop language ourselves.

Yes we were lucky with the vocal cords with some intelligence and thats it.

If you don't understand how telling someone that they didn't understand the question and therefore "gave a silly answer" is not insulting the other person's intelligence, I have no idea what you think the phrase must mean.

I am clearly far more educated on this subject than you are. I am more than capable of understanding your questions, and my answers are absolutely not "silly". I am not stupid, I am not dumb, and I certainly have no difficulty grasping your questions, so do not insult my intelligence.

I said that you didn't understand the question because you found it normal that homo sapiens lived 200000 years without gaining knowledge and hence to me your answers were silly, i didn't mean any insult but we have different POV.

Yes, it is, when you realize that the humans who existed 200,000 years ago were extremely primitive, extremely few in number, largely isolated in small groups, had not yet developed an effective means of communication, had an extremely limited capacity for learning, an extremely short life span, and lived, behaved and thought more or less identically to their apelike ancestors.

We were extremely primitive, extremely few in number,largely isolated in small groups ..etc since 10000 years ago

Well, yes. Where else do you think it could have come from? Aliens?

Wise human did it (about 200000 years of plan)

You're really stretching this point, and I can't help but feel that it really isn't going anywhere.

You asked for a scientific source.

I've repeatedly explained to you the answers to almost every question you have asked and every objection you have had. If you're so childish as to dismiss everything I've said to you as "blah, blah, blah" then I cannot help you. And, yet again, I suggest you to heed the warning in your own signature.

Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity.

It depends on whats your opinion,

For example, If you kept saying that Obama is the best American president in history, then some may regard you as stupid.

 

[ScuzManiac]

Blessed by whom.

Thanks for ignoring the fact that you provided a crappy source.

And I put blessed in quotation marks for a reason...

I was being sarcastic.

Once again, it went over your head.

:yes:

 

[idav]

I said that you didn't understand the question because you found it normal that homo sapiens lived 200000 years without gaining knowledge and hence to me your answers were silly, i didn't mean any insult but we have different POV.

That isnt true. Nobody said evolution suddenly stopped, however it does take more than 200 thousand years to see some of the major changes. Like a parent doesnt notice growth but someone who hasnt seen the kid in years would notice. Some things took billions some millions of years. It took us 4 billion years to get to where we are.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No that is an opinion and not an insult, you may say it is stupid to believe that God does exist while there is no evidence, i won't feel that you are insulting me but just expressing your opinion.

Wrong. Calling people stupid and dumb is an insult. It doesn't matter whether it's your opinion or not. You clearly said that people who believed it took 190,000 years for farming and building to develop "stupid and dumb". There's no way to worm out of that.

Yes we were lucky with the vocal cords with some intelligence and thats it.

Luck doesn't come into it. Our brains developed to distinguish between noises, and eventually developed the capacity to understand symbols. Our vocal chords, meanwhile, strengthened as we began using sounds to communicate. In both cases, the mutations and their prevalence were due to both traits filling specific environmental niches. We just found a way to use those mutations to a huge benefit in creating language. Neither heightened brain function nor vocal chords evolved specifically to allow us to communicate through language, but our ability to communicate through language developed because we evolved brains capable of understanding symbols and strong vocal tracts. Do you understand the difference?

I said that you didn't understand the question because you found it normal that homo sapiens lived 200000 years without gaining knowledge and hence to me your answers were silly, i didn't mean any insult but we have different POV

Again, I really don't think you understand what an insult is.

We were extremely primitive, extremely few in number,largely isolated in small groups ..etc since 10000 years ago

But we had still existed for 190,000 years by then, and were much larger in number, had most likely developed more sophisticated forms of learning, and gotten a lot better at living in communities. By that time, we most likely would have developed some rudimentary farming and building skills through analysis of the natural world.

Wise human did it (about 200000 years of plan)

You're not making any sense. Do you or do you not understand that language, as a system of communication, doesn't just appear overnight in the head of one person? It takes entire societies many generations to develop language.

You asked for a scientific source.

No, I just asked for a source that wasn't the Daily Mail. And, frankly, I think you're stretching this argument to breaking point. Unless you're trying to assert that animals are more intelligent than humans, I really have no idea what you're trying to prove any more - because nothing you've provided so far says anything other than "animals are intelligent, but in a different way" - which is a point I made a long time ago by explaining that as one of the primary reasons that animals (even intelligent ones) haven't developed language.

It depends on whats your opinion,

For example, If you kept saying that Obama is the best American president in history, then some may regard you as stupid.

So whether or not someone is stubborn and ardently clinging to a belief is a matter of belief itself? Nope. Stubbornness is pretty much a clear and objective trait of someone.

 

[FearGod]

Wrong. Calling people stupid and dumb is an insult. It doesn't matter whether it's your opinion or not. You clearly said that people who believed it took 190,000 years for farming and building to develop "stupid and dumb". There's no way to worm out of that.

If you think of it as insulting for all evolutionists on earth, then think of it as you wish

Luck doesn't come into it. Our brains developed to distinguish between noises, and eventually developed the capacity to understand symbols. Our vocal chords, meanwhile, strengthened as we began using sounds to communicate. In both cases, the mutations and their prevalence were due to both traits filling specific environmental niches. We just found a way to use those mutations to a huge benefit in creating language. Neither heightened brain function nor vocal chords evolved specifically to allow us to communicate through language, but our ability to communicate through language developed because we evolved brains capable of understanding symbols and strong vocal tracts. Do you understand the difference?

I don't agree with you, luck is a part of it, i think it is stupid to think otherwise.

Again, I really don't think you understand what an insult is.

I understand what an insult is but you are the one not understanding it.

But we had still existed for 190,000 years by then, and were much larger in number, had most likely developed more sophisticated forms of learning, and gotten a lot better at living in communities. By that time, we most likely would have developed some rudimentary farming and building skills through analysis of the natural world.

Bla bla bla, sorry it doesn't make sense to me.
Had (most likely) developed ........are you guessing here.

You're not making any sense. Do you or do you not understand that language, as a system of communication, doesn't just appear overnight in the head of one person? It takes entire societies many generations to develop language.

Did i say overnight, do you regard few thousands of years to start speaking a language and gaining knowledge as to be one night.

And 190000 years passed before the wise human to start writing,reading,farming,building ..etc and that what make sense to you.

No it doesn't make any sense that we were in need for 190000 years to start farming and gaining knowledge, as it is very clear that humans before 10000 years were primitives, starting from zero knowledge, so what do you think they were doing for 190000 years, were they busy in eating & ******* .

No, I just asked for a source that wasn't the Daily Mail. And, frankly, I think you're stretching this argument to breaking point. Unless you're trying to assert that animals are more intelligent than humans, I really have no idea what you're trying to prove any more - because nothing you've provided so far says anything other than "animals are intelligent, but in a different way" - which is a point I made a long time ago by explaining that as one of the primary reasons that animals (even intelligent ones) haven't developed language.

At first you accepted the information but refused the source as being not credible and when i quoted for you another sources which says the same thing then you started to bla ..bla ..bla, really debating with is enjoyable, my friends beside me are :biglaugh:

So whether or not someone is stubborn and ardently clinging to a belief is a matter of belief itself? Nope. Stubbornness is pretty much a clear and objective trait of someone.

Thats what makes it funny to debate with you, stubbornness makes the person looks stupid. :yes:

 

[Parsimony]

If you don't think it took over 100,000 years for humans to develop the written word and farming, then how long do you think it took?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If you think of it as insulting for all evolutionists on earth, then think of it as you wish

It's insulting to call ANYBODY stupid or dumb. Do you understand?

I don't agree with you, luck is a part of it, i think it is stupid to think otherwise.

I've just explained to you why it doesn't. If your only response is "I don't agree, and I think it's stupid" then you might as well concede the point.

I understand what an insult is but you are the one not understanding it.

Do you think your arguments are difficult to understand? They are not.

Bla bla bla, sorry it doesn't make sense to me.
Had (most likely) developed ........are you guessing here.

Again, childish responses aren't going to win you this debate. I refer you to your own question only a few posts ago:

"Do you have a scientific reply or just your own opinion."

Thus far, I have explained human evolution and the development of agriculture and building by the best possible scientific explanation, in layman's terms. Thus far, all you have offered in response is "it doesn't make sense to me", "you are guessing" and "you have to be stupid to believe that".

So, tell me: who is offering the science, and who is doing nothing but giving their own worthless, uninformed opinion?

Did i say overnight, do you regard few thousands of years to start speaking a language and gaining knowledge as to be one night.

You never said "a few thousand years". In fact, you have repeatedly said tha language "was invented by someone", as if language simultaneously formed entirely in one person's head.

And 190000 years passed before the wise human to start writing,reading,farming,building ..etc and that what make sense to you.

Yes!

Will you stop repeating yourself? I've already explained HOW and WHY it makes perfect sense REPEATEDLY. Are you going to respond to those points? Are you even going to address my explanations or answers, or are you just going to stubbornly and ardently repeat your opinion ad nauseum?

No it doesn't make any sense that we were in need for 190000 years to start farming and gaining knowledge, as it is very clear that humans before 10000 years were primitives, starting from zero knowledge, so what do you think they were doing for 190000 years, were they busy in eating & ******* .

Yep. Pretty much. Also, struggling to survive.

At first you accepted the information but refused the source as being not credible and when i quoted for you another sources which says the same thing then you started to bla ..bla ..bla, really debating with is enjoyable, my friends beside me are

Do you have a point?

Thats what makes it funny to debate with you, stubbornness makes the person looks stupid. :yes:

Indeed it does.

 

[FearGod]

If you don't think it took over 100,000 years for humans to develop the written word and farming, then how long do you think it took?

It isn't about thinking and making guesses, it is about facts.

Humans were so primitives before 10000 years and here we are.

That what it takes relying on evidences and not by guessing.

Why the wise human did nothing significant during 200000 years of living on earth just hunting and eating while doing a lot during 10000 years from zero knowledge to what we have today.

 

[McBell]

It isn't about thinking and making guesses, it is about facts.

Is your argument really "I do not have any idea when humans starting reading and writing but I do know it was not when you claim it was"?

Humans were so primitives before 10000 years and here we are.

That what it takes relying on evidences and not by guessing.

Fair enough.
What objective empirical evidence are you working from?

 

[idav]

Why the wise human did nothing significant during 200000 years of living on earth just hunting and eating while doing a lot during 10000 years from zero knowledge to what we have today.

Progression wasn't always exponential until the information age.

 

[Parsimony]

It isn't about thinking and making guesses, it is about facts.

Humans were so primitives before 10000 years and here we are.

That what it takes relying on evidences and not by guessing.

Why the wise human did nothing significant during 200000 years of living on earth just hunting and eating while doing a lot during 10000 years from zero knowledge to what we have today.

Seems like you dodged my question. So did it take 200,000 years for humans to learn how to read and write? If not, then how long did it take?

 

[ScuzManiac]

Dear FearGod, I can. Eve spoke with NO magical evolution, no natural selection. So did the descendants of Adam, who had inherited his Superior intelligence from Cain, who spread Adam's Human intelligence to the prehistoric people on the first Earth. Gen 4

What is necessary is to inherit Adam's Human intelligence since ONLY the descendants of Adam SPEAK, just like our Father in Heaven did when He spoke the worlds into being. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Cain was also intelligent enough to kill Abel because he was jealous.

 

[s2a]

I have a question for evolutionists.

1 - When did human intelligence evolve,IOW since when humans were able to think and talk ?

Maye "god", most likely not.

Now what?

Gonna share your secret to blow the lid off of science, or not?

 

[FearGod]

Dear Atheists and Evolutionists,


What evidences we got that show Homo sapiens as a wise human before 200,000 years ago.

What evidences we got that show Homo sapiens as a wise human before 150,000 years ago.

What evidences we got that show Homo sapiens as a wise human before 100,000 years ago.

What achievements that were done by the Homo sapiens during the 100,000 years span

Evidences show that the wise human lived on earth only before around 12000 years ago (farming,building,writing,reading,civilization ..etc)

 

[McBell]

Dear Atheists and Evolutionists,


What evidences we got that show Homo sapiens as a wise human before 200,000 years ago.

What evidences we got that show Homo sapiens as a wise human before 150,000 years ago.

What evidences we got that show Homo sapiens as a wise human before 100,000 years ago.

What achievements that were done by the Homo sapiens during the 100,000 years span

Evidences show that the wise human lived on earth only before around 12000 years ago (farming,building,writing,reading,civilization ..etc)

You seem to have missed my question from post 469:

What objective empirical evidence are you working from?​

 

[Parsimony]

Humans had quite a few inventions and achievements before 12,000 years BP:

-The spear was invented hundreds of thousands of years ago (or even earlier).
-Shell beads go back 100,000 years.
-The invention of clothing may be as old as 170,000 years.
-Control of fire may be 1,000,000 years old.
-Burying the dead is at least 100,000 years old.
-Cave painting is more than 40,000 years old.
-Cutting tools are over 2 million years old.

Also, how wise is "wise"? What is the minimum mental capability that would indicate that an individual possesses wisdom?

 

[FearGod]

Humans had quite a few inventions and achievements before 12,000 years BP:

-The spear was invented hundreds of thousands of years ago (or even earlier).
-Shell beads go back 100,000 years.
-The invention of clothing may be as old as 170,000 years.
-Control of fire may be 1,000,000 years old.
-Burying the dead is at least 100,000 years old.
-Cave painting is more than 40,000 years old.
-Cutting tools are over 2 million years old.

Also, how wise is "wise"? What is the minimum mental capability that would indicate that an individual possesses wisdom?

So no achievements in terms of farming,building,writing,reading and science before 200000 years , before 150000 years and before 100000 years, still using the cutting tools and spears for hundreds thousands of years.

 

[idav]

So no achievements in terms of farming,building,writing,reading and science before 200000 years , before 150000 years and before 100000 years, still using the cutting tools and spears for hundreds thousands of years.

Everything evolved over time, tool use and everything. I know what your trying to imply that all the stuff magically appeared one day. Well it didn't, it evolved over time. Research it if your interested, you can't expect people to know all this stuff. I know they divide the stuff like you have the stone age, dark ages, iron age, etc etc. Tool use changed over time. Evolution of language is totally different too, we have no evidence for language until people start writing, but not only that, when we have actually preserved writings which, it is hard to come by with older age.

Here is an article saying stone tools were used 2.6 million years ago so all this stuff about 200,000 years is gibberish. 200,000 years is when we find an anatomical human, says nothing about if they are wise, says nothing if they had language or tools either, just that was roughly the time when we see humans like they appear today according to bone structure.

Human Evolution: The Origin of Tool Use

Believe me I would love to see a timeline for tools but haven't found any good ones yet however it would say nothing about intelligence. We can correlate but look at the last hundred years. We advanced our tools but have not become more intelligent in a hundred years. Your questions show that your perceptions are misleading you.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So no achievements in terms of farming,building,writing,reading and science before 200000 years , before 150000 years and before 100000 years, still using the cutting tools and spears for hundreds thousands of years.

Well, think about just how much knowledge goes into successfully farming. Firstly, you need to work out that plants grow from seeds. Secondly, you need to be able to identify and collect the seeds of plants that are edible. Thirdly, you need to have worked out that these seeds require fertile soil, direct sunlight and water in order to grow. This will all have been extremely difficult to do (far more difficult than growing crops today) because most plants at this stage in time do not successfully or consistently yield edible crops like the heavily cultivated and selectively bred fruits and vegetables we have today, and there will have been a lot more plants around that were inedible (if not outright poisonous) to humans at the time. The humans around then were still primitive, and operated under the basic biological imperative to stay alive - so it's very unlikely that they'd spend the time and effort to understand why these plants grow, let alone spend the far greater time and effort devising a system to grow them themselves.

Breeding animals comes with similar problems. Most of the animals on farms today are selectively bred - not wild. Early humans will have only contended with entirely wild, and hostile, breeds of animals, and they won't have thought much of them beyond the simple desire to kill them for food, skin or self-preservation. It most likely wouldn't have occurred to early homo sapiens to round up a bunch of animals (having first identified which ones are male and female), and breed them in order to cultivate them for meat.

Your problem is that you're assuming that building, writing etc. are merely the result of intelligence; but you are wrong. Intelligence is required, certainly, but that alone is not enough. They are the result of lengthy socio-cultural processes, information gathering and observation of the natural world. These things developed in human societies slowly, as early humans literally still had no understanding of the world around them, and had not yet developed an effective means of communication. It makes perfect sense that an entire system of language, architecture or agriculture would take many, many generations to form when you're starting from a point at which none of these things exist, even at the most primitive and basic level.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

You are asking questions that can not be summed up in short sentences.

To understand how writing came into being, you will need an understanding of psychology, sociology, anthropology and linguistics etc.

I think first you could read the following wiki article.

Writing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It explains the different ways the written word has been created and is expressed.

If you have any questions about anything you read there, i will do my best to answer it for you.