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Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

Well-Known Member
So, you are using an article that, literally, doesn't even mention any chance of a relation to evolution as your entire support, beyond a mere speculative argument which blatantly has nothing to do with the theory of evolution? And, you don't see the obvious problem? You just expect people to take your word and an extremely flimsy/speculative/"subjective" (lol) argument to join you in jumping to the conclusion that, without any supporting evidence, evolution is randomly to blame.

You never cease to amaze me, buddy. You must be exhausted.

There is no problem in what I write. You are wrong, they are wrong. The truth is that evolution theory is destroying subjectivity, which would naturally lead to an increase in depression.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
There is no problem in what I write. You are wrong, they are wrong. The truth is that evolution theory is destroying subjectivity, which would naturally lead to an increase in depression.

I understand your point- I think most do. It's pretty well documented that people with faith, skeptics of atheism, are generally happier- as is anybody with more purpose, meaning to their lives, that's hardly a controversial observation.

And evolution is obviously intertwined with, sometimes a fundamental basis for the ideology that nothing has ultimate meaning, purpose.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
There is no problem in what I write. You are wrong, they are wrong. The truth is that evolution theory is destroying subjectivity, which would naturally lead to an increase in depression.
So, why do so many high-ranking religious people believe in evolution, yet still believe in a creator ("intelligent design")? I mean, the Pope explicitly came out as a supporter of evolution. Are you claiming that Pope Francis lacks all subjectivity?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I understand your point- I think most do. It's pretty well documented that people with faith, skeptics of atheism, are generally happier- as is anybody with more purpose, meaning to their lives, that's hardly a controversial observation.

And evolution is obviously intertwined with, sometimes a fundamental basis for the ideology that nothing has ultimate meaning, purpose.
A poll that was taken about 7-8 years ago had it that Buddhists, who are non-theistic, were the most content with their lives.
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

Well-Known Member
I understand your point- I think most do. It's pretty well documented that people with faith, skeptics of atheism, are generally happier- as is anybody with more purpose, meaning to their lives, that's hardly a controversial observation.

And evolution is obviously intertwined with, sometimes a fundamental basis for the ideology that nothing has ultimate meaning, purpose.

My point is much more specific than that. And I see many "religious" who just as well as evolutionists reject subjectivity. That means they will assert the existence of God is fact, or assert it is an unproven fact, and not an opinion. That is not actuall "believing" according to my book. That is asserting a fact, which means it is interpreting issues of opinon as fact, it is replacing subjectivity with objectivity, it is rejection of subjectivity just as well as what evolutonists do.
 

asier9

Member
Atheism does not inherently lead to nihilism, and, very frequently, those who believe nihilism is depressing do not understand it, misunderstand it, and have difficulties with trying to grasp that people can and do live satisfying and fulfilling lives while believing there is nothing inherent in the meaning and purpose of life. Existentialists also face such notions of people thinking it's "depressing," but those people get caught up on nothingness and do not see past it.
Most nihilists aren't depressed people--again cognitive dissonance is an amazing thing. Nonetheless to be an atheist one must literally be a nihilist. That they are then often inconsistent nihilist is inconsequential.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Most nihilists aren't depressed people--again cognitive dissonance is an amazing thing. Nonetheless to be an atheist one must literally be a nihilist. That they are then often inconsistent nihilist is inconsequential.

What?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Most nihilists aren't depressed people--again cognitive dissonance is an amazing thing. Nonetheless to be an atheist one must literally be a nihilist. That they are then often inconsistent nihilist is inconsequential.
Where is your evidence that those who are nihilist aren't depressed because of cognitive dissonance?
And there is no prerequisite of nihilism to be an atheist. Are you aware that there are several different philosophies of atheism? Do you even know what nihilism is?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
There is no problem in what I write. You are wrong, they are wrong. The truth is that evolution theory is destroying subjectivity, which would naturally lead to an increase in depression.

Nope, it is putting subjectivity is in place as opinion in comparison to objective evidence. Your reliance on subjectivity is the sole reason your argument have no merit as you dismiss objectivity in favour to whatever thought pops into your head.

"Religion destroys objectivity as it provides every nitwit a view that their opinion has value or even worth considering"
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Most nihilists aren't depressed people--again cognitive dissonance is an amazing thing. Nonetheless to be an atheist one must literally be a nihilist. That they are then often inconsistent nihilist is inconsequential.

Because one does not believe in the validity of god, you think one must first not believe in the validity of anything, including a claim that there is no god?

How exactly does that work.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
More College Freshmen Report Having Felt Depressed
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/us/more-college-freshmen-report-having-felt-depressed.html?_r=0

The prediction of creationists in the early 20th century of evolution theory bringing "hell to the highschool", turns out true.

With evolution theory you are creating a study environment in which any knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe is discarded, and with that any subjectivity about what made the decisions turn out the way they do is discarded as well. No room is provided for subjectivity at all, hence students become depressed.

Most significantly at Harvard, where the predominance of atheism is the largest. That hellhole where 50 percent of students become seriously depressed during their studentcareer, should be closed down as a health hazard for mental health.

1. Harvard is not a high school
2. What knowledge has been discarded (as opposed to beliefs) you listed none.
3. What do you mean "how things are chosen in the universe? Who is choosing what and why?
4. Why would subjectivity be useful in the scientific process?
5. Show causation. Where is the study linking knowledge of evolution to depression. I have known people from more than one religion who were or are depressed.

By your method, if I go to a college campus and observe that 50% of the tennis players are blonde, then playing tennis must cause blondness.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The only thing that depressed me along this line is that I was not being told the truth by my pastor, although I don't know if he ever really studied the issue. He told me I could not believe in the Bible and evolution, and that did depress me because I had spent time at the natural history museum at the University of Michigan and also at the Smithsonian in D.C. Prior to that, I had thoughts about going into the ministry.

It wasn't until somewhat later when I talked with a Catholic priest when I was about 17 that I learned that the two were not necessarily incompatible. That confused me even more, and it took me to my freshman year of college to sort it all out.

BTW, that was many moons ago.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
The only thing that depressed me along this line is that I was not being told the truth by my pastor, although I don't know if he ever really studied the issue. He told me I could not believe in the Bible and evolution, and that did depress me because I had spent time at the natural history museum at the University of Michigan and also at the Smithsonian in D.C. Prior to that, I had thoughts about going into the ministry.

It wasn't until somewhat later when I talked with a Catholic priest when I was about 17 that I learned that the two were not necessarily incompatible. That confused me even more, and it took me to my freshman year of college to sort it all out.

BTW, that was many moons ago.

There are those who would disagree that religion (at least Christianity, which I am familiar with) is compatable with science. You would have to do serious damage to some of the scripture. No, I don't want to argue the point, just pointing out the issue.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
There are those who would disagree that religion (at least Christianity, which I am familiar with) is compatable with science. You would have to do serious damage to some of the scripture. No, I don't want to argue the point, just pointing out the issue.
Not at all to disagree but I don't have a problem along that line because the approaches and the intent of each is different, but who would have a problem are the scriptural literalists, of which I am not. By chance are you familiar with the writings of Joseph Campbell ("The Power of Myth" and other works)? If so, then you know what I mean.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
By chance are you familiar with the writings of Joseph Campbell ("The Power of Myth" and other works)? If so, then you know what I mean.
I'm going to have to read some of his stuff, because I have seen his name everywhere.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm going to have to read some of his stuff, because I have seen his name everywhere.
He's a fellow anthropologist, although people do know about him.:( I read his stuff going back to the 1960's in my anthropology textbooks, and he kept showing up in my later studies as well.

Let me highly recommend "The Power of Myth", which also was shown on PBS with Bill Moyers-- fantastic!
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

Well-Known Member
Nope, it is putting subjectivity is in place as opinion in comparison to objective evidence. Your reliance on subjectivity is the sole reason your argument have no merit as you dismiss objectivity in favour to whatever thought pops into your head.

"Religion destroys objectivity as it provides every nitwit a view that their opinion has value or even worth considering"

Yeah religion does provide every nitwit the view that their opinion has worth.
 
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