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EVOLUTION, what a lie.

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
(QUOTE Father Heathen)

You implied it with your shock upon discovering that YmirGF believed in a higher power.[/QUOTE]

Response: Right. Shocked that he believed in a higher power, which does not imply that I believe that a person can't reject the concept of God as the Abrahamic religions see him and not believe in God at the same time.. Thanks for confirming your inability to comprehend.
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Response: Right. Shocked that he believed in a higher power, which does not imply that I believe that a person can't reject the concept of God as the Abrahamic religions see him and not believe in God at the same time.. Thanks for confirming your inability to comprehend.

Then why were you shocked? And speaking of comprehension inabilities, it seems that you've been struggling with the quote function.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Then why were you shocked? And speaking of comprehension inabilities, it seems that you've been struggling with the quote function.

Response: I was shocked because I thought he was an atheist. And I'm on the site through my blackberry phone, which does not allow me to use all the functions within the quote function. So I post in the way that is most convenient for me.
 

themadhair

Well-Known Member
So I post in the way that is most convenient for me.
This is true. Fatihah posts in a way that allows not having to think and/or comprehend material presented. The general routine involves a variation on “I see a statement. Where’s the proof?”.

For examples of this utterly vacuous technique of non-debate see the following posts:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1597897-post1371.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1601736-post1271.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1575332-post247.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1517437-post503.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1537919-post276.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1501138-post94.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1498699-post35.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1525186-post282.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1520974-post180.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1538763-post332.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1517437-post503.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1477087-post338.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1509547-post344.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1549737-post569.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1508343-post291.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1471821-post164.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1540104-post364.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1525186-post282.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1506845-post239.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1548237-post516.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1557857-post577.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1555254-post1180.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1548253-post525.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1547200-post479.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1537919-post276.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1493123-post600.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1547200-post479.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1487014-post62.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1470304-post95.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1556566-post926.html
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
This is true. Fatihah posts in a way that allows not having to think and/or comprehend material presented. The general routine involves a variation on “I see a statement. Where’s the proof?”.

For examples of this utterly vacuous technique of non-debate see the following posts:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1597897-post1371.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1601736-post1271.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1575332-post247.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1517437-post503.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1537919-post276.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1501138-post94.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1498699-post35.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1525186-post282.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1520974-post180.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1538763-post332.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1517437-post503.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1477087-post338.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1509547-post344.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1549737-post569.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1508343-post291.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1471821-post164.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1540104-post364.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1525186-post282.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1506845-post239.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1548237-post516.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1557857-post577.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1555254-post1180.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1548253-post525.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1547200-post479.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1537919-post276.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1493123-post600.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1547200-post479.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1487014-post62.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1470304-post95.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1556566-post926.html

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

You can add a link to that as well.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
thats fine i'm just interested in that. in his view, coz i thought he didn't believe in god.

Well, I believe in nature, and that's some people's definition of "god". So, in a sense I believe in god. However, I choose not to use that term, since it has so many preconceptions involved.

Response: I was shocked because I thought he was an atheist. And I'm on the site through my blackberry phone, which does not allow me to use all the functions within the quote function. So I post in the way that is most convenient for me.

It's still very simple, though. All you have to do is put [ quote ] and [ /quote ] around the parts you want to quote. It's not (quote) or any other method you use, it's the one with brackets. You obviously try to put it in quote boxes, considering you put in (quote Father Heathen). You just need to learn how to do it manually the right way.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
[QUOTE mball1297]

It's still very simple, though. All you have to do is put [ quote ] and [ /quote ] around the parts you want to quote. It's not (quote) or any other method you use, it's the one with brackets. You obviously try to put it in quote boxes, considering you put in (quote Father Heathen). You just need to learn how to do it manually the right way.[/QUOTE]

Response: You don't have the authority on what's the right or wrong way. The other brackets are not on the blackberry keypad. I would have to go to a certain options menu just for one bracket then scroll the menu again just to get the second one. I'm not doing that. The parenthesis is more convenient for me.
 

DarkSun

:eltiT
Response: I read this post several times before responding because I was that schocked as to what I was reading. YmirGF, you believe in God or a creator? All this time? If there was ever a time when something has grabbed my undivided attention so abruptly, this is that time.

tell me about it. i think he's gotten some sense kicked into him. :D

picard-facepalm2.jpg
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
(QUOTE Father Heathen)

You implied it with your shock upon discovering that YmirGF believed in a higher power.

Response: Right. Shocked that he believed in a higher power, which does not imply that I believe that a person can't reject the concept of God as the Abrahamic religions see him and not believe in God at the same time.. Thanks for confirming your inability to comprehend.[/quote]

What I want to know is: Is Fatihah too inconsiderate to learn how to use the quote function, or too stupid? Or maybe he's just really, really stubborn.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Response: I was shocked because I thought he was an atheist. And I'm on the site through my blackberry phone, which does not allow me to use all the functions within the quote function. So I post in the way that is most convenient for me.
And it's all about you.
As I told you pages ago, all you have to do is type [ quote ] (without the spaces) and [ / quote ] (without the spaces) before and after what you type. Your apparent inability or unwillingness to learn this new information is consistent with your approach to scientific subjects.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Here are examples how little some of these Muslims here know about Charles Darwin.

Darwin was a naturalist and biologist, which included anatomy and botany. Darwin didn't just write his discovery into a book. It was years of researches, examining and cataloguing the evidences or discoveries in his notebooks.

One of the places he did his researches were the Galápagos Islands, where he discovered species of animals on one island were so different to others on a nearby, neighbouring island. He took time to recall his discoveries, and since then other scientists have visited these islands that confirmed his findings.

Evolution is based on using scientific method to not only just discover evidence, but to confirm them, independently by other scientists. That's science, and that's scientific facts, which confirmed his scientific theories.

That's what some Muslims and Christians failed to understand, that science is not just about theories, but if they can be validated or not, with evidences, testing, observation and reasoning.

And Darwin didn't just write the theory, but explain it with supporting evidences and logical reasoning.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Here are examples how little some of these Muslims here know about Charles Darwin.

Darwin was a naturalist and biologist, which included anatomy and botany. Darwin didn't just write his discovery into a book. It was years of researches, examining and cataloguing the evidences or discoveries in his notebooks.

One of the places he did his researches were the Galápagos Islands, where he discovered species of animals on one island were so different to others on a nearby, neighbouring island. He took time to recall his discoveries, and since then other scientists have visited these islands that confirmed his findings.

Evolution is based on using scientific method to not only just discover evidence, but to confirm them, independently by other scientists. That's science, and that's scientific facts, which confirmed his scientific theories.

That's what some Muslims and Christians failed to understand, that science is not just about theories, but if they can be validated or not, with evidences, testing, observation and reasoning.

And Darwin didn't just write the theory, but explain it with supporting evidences and logical reasoning.

are you sure this information is correct?

i didn't kow any of that, thanks for sheding some light for us muslims gnostic.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
autodidact said:
As I told you pages ago, all you have to do is type [ quote ] (without the spaces) and [ / quote ] (without the spaces) before and after what you type. Your apparent inability or unwillingness to learn this new information is consistent with your approach to scientific subjects.

I have already tried to teach him, but unfortunately, he stubbornly preferred it his way.

To Fatihah:

There are 8 icon buttons on the top LEFT, above where you type your message, fatihah. Use the last one (next to the button with picture of mountains).

Copying and paste the text in between the opening and closing QUOTE tags (QUOTE inside the square brackets). If you are going to put someone's name, use the equal sign (=) followed by the name.

It's that simple.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
eselam said:
are you sure this information is correct?

i didn't kow any of that, thanks for sheding some light for us muslims gnostic.

Of course the information is correct.

Darwin travelled around the oceans, on the ship called HMS Beagle, especially on his 2nd voyage, which took him 5 years, before returning to England in 1836.

He didn't just go to the islands of Galápagos, but also to South America, Australia and Africa. But it is his stop on the Galápagos islands that contributed largely to Darwin's knowledge on evolution, through his studies on the animals and plant life on the islands.

His researches didn't just come from being stuck in the classroom.

It was only after his voyages and sorting his notes to compile his major works (books), and took him years before the publication. On the Origin of Species wasn't published until 1859, 23 years later.

As I said before, other scientists in the 20th century have been to the islands, and confirmed his findings, from geologists, zoologists and botanists.

You have to understand that his books on evolution is not about the origin of life, but on the origin of species. He tried to explain why there are different species, and done so successfully. It was the Christians who found threatened by his discoveries, because at that time, they believed in Genesis' story literally.

Today, some Christians know that the earth is far more ancient than they once thought. There are evidences of primitive mammals (ignoring dinosaurs for the moments) that are so different to that of today.

Do you know what a wombat is?

Well, they discovered fossils of giant wombat, extinct and known as by its scientific name - Diprotodon, which as large as a brown bear or hippoptamus. They (Diprotodon) became exitinct 40,000 years ago.

And you know of horses. The horses belong to the taxonic genus Equus, and family, known as Equidae. There are other genus of Equidae, including Hippidion, were smaller and different than the horses known today. The Hippidion existed in South America, before they became extinct 8000 years ago. The Hippidion not only belonged to different species to the horses, but different genus.
 

rageoftyrael

Veritas
Yeah, arguing with some people is pointless. I'm convinced now that Fatihah is just a very good troll. If you think about it, it makes sense. He somehow managed to keep people from realizing it, thus making him good at it. But he's still a troll. More often than not, he doesn't contribute to a discussion any more than to demand proof, even when you do give proof. Hence, troll.
 
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