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EVOLUTION, what a lie.

Alceste

Vagabond
Agreed. :D

I'd just like to add that it would be good to know for certain excactly what happened two-billion years ago (or more). As far as I can tell, no one really knows for certain, because no one was really there. But we can make educated guesses.
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Two billion years ago??? I'd like to know for certain exactly what happened last night. Bada boom.
 

DarkSun

:eltiT
I vaguely remember studying all of the bones in the axial and appendicular skeleton...

*Shifty eyes.*

Oh, right. Duuudee. That party was so sweeet....
 

The Voice of Reason

Doctor of Thinkology
Two billion years ago??? I'd like to know for certain exactly what happened last night. Bada boom.

I'm going to have to report this post to a moderator.

Unless the forum rules have changed, I'm fairly certain that there is a 1000 frubal penalty for giving yourself your own rimshot after a clever line.

I'm sooooooo dissapointed in you, Alceste.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I'm going to have to report this post to a moderator.

Unless the forum rules have changed, I'm fairly certain that there is a 1000 frubal penalty for giving yourself your own rimshot after a clever line.

I'm sooooooo dissapointed in you, Alceste.

It was an ironic, self-depracating rim-shot, acknowledging the pure corniness of the gag. Is that allowed?
 

The Voice of Reason

Doctor of Thinkology
It was an ironic, self-depracating rim-shot, acknowledging the pure corniness of the gag. Is that allowed?

Oh - my mistake. Not a problem.

I guess I misread your post, and didn't recognize the humility in the typed word.

My apologies.

I'll notify the mods to ignore my earlier reporting of the incident.
 

jrbogie

Member
how is it possible that evolution is a lie. a lie must be a statement that has no truth. evolution is but a theoretical study in the biological sciences. are we lieing when we chose to study evolution? are we lieing when we seek answers to the origins of the universe and the ascension of the species? religious beliefs are closer to being a lie, though i'd never say so, than is a scientific theory. the faithful see no reason to persue scientific methodology because in their minds these questions of origin are already solved and written in scripture. i find it enteresting that on science forums, religion rarely, if ever, enters into the dialog. and when it does, it is started by one of the faithful. on the other hand, i've never participated on a religious forum where theories such as evolution or the big bang don't sooner or later shows up. science simply does not consider religion much less attempts to "disprove" it. it's the faithful that hope to "disprove" science, hense threads like this. but to prove or disprove anthing requiers measurable evidence.
 

MindHunter

Member
The process of evolution does occur. Denying that is ridiculous, as take for example, the "super-bugs", bacteria that have become so immune to many human anti-biotics that killing them off is a hard task. Or, another simple experiment: E.coli strains with various anti-biotics. Many die as a result, however, one can clearly see the zone of inhibition (area around the bacteria where it cannot grow due to the substances).

Thus, saying the process or phenomenon of evolution not occurring is absurd. What can be debated, however, is the theory of evolution, which like all theories, attempts to explain how it occurs and is testable, etc... . That theory can be debated upon, and of course, if one calls it a lie, then one must say what is right. After all, it's unreasonable to say it's a lie and not provide some other theory or concept (scientific or not).

I think one of the issues is blending the religious beliefs with evolution. One fundamental aspect of science is to be as objective as possible. When you bring your beliefs into the mix, then this objectivity is out the door. So, if one is to try to think about evolution, it's necessary to briefly abandon the religious beliefs. I'm not trying to say that you cannot be religious and still use science, however, I want to say, that if you are to try and understand science, you should park the religious beliefs temporarily.

Another reason for this, is science has no business trying to prove or disprove religion. It's about explaining events objectively. So, when the two get mixed in trying to understand evolution, it can be very difficult to figure out.

I'm not a graduate student in evolutionary biology, however, next year I'll be doing various biology and psychology courses (mostly neuroscience, cognition, etc... but not all), so I can try to also explain certain aspects but I'm not the most knowledgable person on it.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I see a pattern with religious opponents to evolution. Evidence acts as a magic spray that apparently makes Muslim, as well as Christian, creationists disappear.
 

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
Well, evolution is a fact, change over time is a fact. A lot of young earth creationists except "microevolution" But macroevolution is just microevolution over an extreme period of time. I'm not sure what aspects of evolution you think are a lie.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Well, evolution is a fact, change over time is a fact. A lot of young earth creationists except "microevolution" But macroevolution is just microevolution over an extreme period of time. I'm not sure what aspects of evolution you think are a lie.

evolution is a theory, the difference between 'theory' and 'fact' are like a mountain and a cave.
 

Nepenthe

Tu Stultus Es
evolution is a theory, the difference between 'theory' and 'fact' are like a mountain and a cave.
Like Seven just said.... Not again....
We can quote, copy and paste, reiterate, explain again and again but creationists will stubbornly deny every bit of evidence presented to them as long as they feel it threatens their religious beliefs. I go back and forth between jumping into threads like this, then giving up and staying away from creationists for long stretches of time because it's generally an enormous waste of time.

A theory can be both a theory and a fact. Evolution is a fact- alerations in alleles over time is indisputable- natural selection is a theory and a fact- selective pressures influence traits. Theories are not "educated guesses", but simply a body of observations that interpret the evidence.
Gravity is both a theory and a fact: bodies of mass are attracted to each other, and there are theories that explain how those masses are attracted. Yet oddly enough one rarely sees creationists apply the old canard of "just a theory" to gravity....
Why is that?

Did I just waste 3 minutes of my life there?
 

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
evolution is a theory, the difference between 'theory' and 'fact' are like a mountain and a cave.

No, actually. Facts and theories address two different issues, a theory often explains the observed fact. So, a theory can actually be a fact, and in this case it's so. Change over time is a fact, and thats all evolution is about. I've noticed theory being thrown around on this site a lot. Theory is the highest scientific achievement. Gravity is a theory, but no one doubts gravity, gravity is an observed fact, but also a theory.
 
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