Response: I'm not the one who is consistantly spitting out the absurd statement that science is not about proof and can't be proven, you are. You need to be answering your own question.
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EVOLUTION, what a lie.
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Response: I'm not the one who is consistantly spitting out the absurd statement that science is not about proof and can't be proven, you are. You need to be answering your own question.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Where's your proof thats someone other than the Western world (and Japan) created "the most inventions"?
And as I said, U.S. scientists have far and away led the world in published scientific papers, both in terms of the number of papers and the number of times those papers were cited by others. In fact, it's not even close. U.S. scientists publish as much as the next three countries combined. CLICK HERE
So how about answering my question? Is it your view that the Muslim world leads the world in science?
Response: Your inability to comprehend is no fault of mine.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
This is obviously false.
[QUOTE mball1297]And? The fact that some Muslims believe in the Quran and accept evolution is proof that the two arecompatible, and that it's only your interpretation of the one that stops you from accepting the other. That was my whole point.(End Quote)
Response: Which is pointless because ToE is not in the qur'an nor can you show otherwise.
Response: Which is pointless because ToE is not in the qur'an nor can you show otherwise.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Two Muslims have won Nobel science prizes, Abdus Salam and Ahmed Zewail. Around 1 in 5 people around the world is Muslim.
100 Jews have won Nobel science prizes. Fewer than 1 of 100 people are Jewish.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
All of science is based on evidence, and none on proof.
You do not believe anything based on evidence rather than proof.
Therefore you do not believe anything in science.
Simple logic.
ETA: btw, Fatihah, the above is what is known in logic as a proof. The conclusion, Fatihah does not believe science, has now been formally proven.
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Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I guess when faced with proof, logic and reason, all you're left with is moving the goalposts, huh?
Fact: Some Muslims accept evolution while still believing fully in the Quran.
Therefore evolution doesn't contradict the Quran, just your interpretation of it. Others who have a different interpretation have no problem with it.
[QUOTE Jose Fly]Where's your proof thats someone other than the Western world (and Japan) created "the most inventions"?(End quote)
Response: I never said they didn't make the most inventions. You must've misread.
(Quote JoseFly)
And as I said, U.S. scientists have far and away led the world in published scientific papers, both in terms of the number of papers and the number of times those papers were cited by others. In fact, it's not even close. U.S. scientists publish as much as the next three countries combined. CLICK HERE
So how about answering my question? Is it your view that the Muslim world leads the world in science?[/QUOTE]
Response: I answered this already in post 1941 but to add more, you're comparing two different lifestyles and mindstates as well. It's not a case of the muslim world being less inventive, it's the simple facts that we're muslims. We don't care for the material world like the rest of the world. Your world is different. Right now the western inventors is thinking of ways to create something even more spectacular and creative. Muslims on the other hand don't care. It's practically haram. (Unlawful). The more money I make, the more I give to the poor, not on some new invention. So you're not beating the muslim world in anything. You just happen to thrive on something that is meaningless to us.
Response: I never said they didn't make the most inventions. You must've misread.
(Quote JoseFly)
And as I said, U.S. scientists have far and away led the world in published scientific papers, both in terms of the number of papers and the number of times those papers were cited by others. In fact, it's not even close. U.S. scientists publish as much as the next three countries combined. CLICK HERE
So how about answering my question? Is it your view that the Muslim world leads the world in science?[/QUOTE]
Response: I answered this already in post 1941 but to add more, you're comparing two different lifestyles and mindstates as well. It's not a case of the muslim world being less inventive, it's the simple facts that we're muslims. We don't care for the material world like the rest of the world. Your world is different. Right now the western inventors is thinking of ways to create something even more spectacular and creative. Muslims on the other hand don't care. It's practically haram. (Unlawful). The more money I make, the more I give to the poor, not on some new invention. So you're not beating the muslim world in anything. You just happen to thrive on something that is meaningless to us.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Exactly. Science is meaningless to you.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
The agricultural revolution that feeds millions is meaningless?
Clean drinking water and the end of cholera is meaningless?
Antibiotics are meaningless?
Am I missing something or are we having fun with the definition of meaningless now?
wa:do
Clean drinking water and the end of cholera is meaningless?
Antibiotics are meaningless?
Am I missing something or are we having fun with the definition of meaningless now?
wa:do
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Can't really argue with someone who admits that progress is meaningless to them. Particularly, when the evidence bears this fact out.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Isn't that just an excuse for being uninventive? I find it ironic you say that, when at one point Islam was leading the way with science, and now how some of its followers are trying to keep their section of the world in the Dark Ages.
With new, future technology that you seem to despise, you can eradicate diseases, poverty and famine, you can find a cure for cancer, for heart attacks, heal those with strokes, let the blind see.
Without these evil haram scientists finding this out, these things will never be cured - to fix these, research into biology, genetics and evolution will be required. To claim that the injustice that is on the world is solely God's will and not the work of the wicked and the selfish is insulting to God. Ironically, you seem to think that these very people who are attempting to cure the world of its injustice will be Jahannami (residents of Hell) is awful.
Yes, we can wait for God to fix all the ills and injustices on Earth, but the chances are it will be quicker for us to do it. None of us humans know when Yawm al-Qimaya (the Day of Resurrection) will happen, nor when Jesus will return to Earth. Today where I am, it is Rajab 14, 1430. That means it's been 1430 years since the Hijra. It's been 1377 years since Muhammad passed on, and Yawm al-Qiyama has yet to happen. What if it is not God's will for Yawm al-Qiyama for another 1,000, or 2,000, or 10,000 years?
That's all going a bit off topic though. :rainbow1: Bringing it back to topic, what do you believe about those Muslims who hold the view of evolution? Why do they accept it and you not? (Are they kufr in your eyes because they accept this?)
[QUOTE Odion]Isn't that just an excuse for being uninventive?(End Quote)
Response: No. Why would it be?
(Quote Odion)
I find it ironic you say that, when at one point Islam was leading the way with science, and now how some of its followers are trying to keep their section of the world in the Dark Ages.(End Quote)
Response: There's nothing the rest of the world can do scientifically that the muslim world can't do. So where's the irony?
(Quote Odion)
With new, future technology that you seem to despise, you can eradicate diseases, poverty and famine, you can find a cure for cancer, for heart attacks, heal those with strokes, let the blind see.
Without these evil haram scientists finding this out, these things will never be cured - to fix these, research into biology, genetics and evolution will be required. To claim that the injustice that is on the world is solely God's will and not the work of the wicked and the selfish is insulting to God. Ironically, you seem to think that these very people who are attempting to cure the world of its injustice will be Jahannami (residents of Hell) is awful.
Yes, we can wait for God to fix all the ills and injustices on Earth, but the chances are it will be quicker for us to do it. None of us humans know when Yawm al-Qimaya (the Day of Resurrection) will happen, nor when Jesus will return to Earth. Today where I am, it is Rajab 14, 1430. That means it's been 1430 years since the Hijra. It's been 1377 years since Muhammad passed on, and Yawm al-Qiyama has yet to happen. What if it is not God's will for Yawm al-Qiyama for another 1,000, or 2,000, or 10,000 years?
That's all going a bit off topic though. :rainbow1: Bringing it back to topic, what do you believe about those Muslims who hold the view of evolution? Why do they accept it and you not? (Are they kufr in your eyes because they accept this?)(End quote)
Response: I don't get the point of half your post but as far as evolution is concerned with other muslims, you have to ask those muslims.
Response: No. Why would it be?
(Quote Odion)
I find it ironic you say that, when at one point Islam was leading the way with science, and now how some of its followers are trying to keep their section of the world in the Dark Ages.(End Quote)
Response: There's nothing the rest of the world can do scientifically that the muslim world can't do. So where's the irony?
(Quote Odion)
With new, future technology that you seem to despise, you can eradicate diseases, poverty and famine, you can find a cure for cancer, for heart attacks, heal those with strokes, let the blind see.
Without these evil haram scientists finding this out, these things will never be cured - to fix these, research into biology, genetics and evolution will be required. To claim that the injustice that is on the world is solely God's will and not the work of the wicked and the selfish is insulting to God. Ironically, you seem to think that these very people who are attempting to cure the world of its injustice will be Jahannami (residents of Hell) is awful.
Yes, we can wait for God to fix all the ills and injustices on Earth, but the chances are it will be quicker for us to do it. None of us humans know when Yawm al-Qimaya (the Day of Resurrection) will happen, nor when Jesus will return to Earth. Today where I am, it is Rajab 14, 1430. That means it's been 1430 years since the Hijra. It's been 1377 years since Muhammad passed on, and Yawm al-Qiyama has yet to happen. What if it is not God's will for Yawm al-Qiyama for another 1,000, or 2,000, or 10,000 years?
That's all going a bit off topic though. :rainbow1: Bringing it back to topic, what do you believe about those Muslims who hold the view of evolution? Why do they accept it and you not? (Are they kufr in your eyes because they accept this?)(End quote)
Response: I don't get the point of half your post but as far as evolution is concerned with other muslims, you have to ask those muslims.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Because you "don't care".
That the Islamic world was the pinnacle of scientific advancement in the Western world, and now it's being held back.
The point is, science is a good thing. To hold it back because you're expecting God to intervene all the time is unfair. I asked you about whether or not you think Muslims who hold this belief are kufr or not because you seem to act as though believing in evolution is an insult to God.
Ghostaka
Active Member
[QUOTE Odion]
That the Islamic world was the pinnacle of scientific advancement in the Western world, and now it's being held back.(End Quote)
Response: In what way?
(Quote Odion)
The point is, science is a good thing. To hold it back because you're expecting God to intervene all the time is unfair.(End Quote)
Response: How so and who's holding science back? In fact, how exactly does someone hold science back?
(Quote Odion)
I asked you about whether or not you think Muslims who hold this belief are kufr or not because you seem to act as though believing in evolution is an insult to God.(End Quote)
Response: How does one act like believing in evolution is an insult to God?
That the Islamic world was the pinnacle of scientific advancement in the Western world, and now it's being held back.(End Quote)
Response: In what way?
(Quote Odion)
The point is, science is a good thing. To hold it back because you're expecting God to intervene all the time is unfair.(End Quote)
Response: How so and who's holding science back? In fact, how exactly does someone hold science back?
(Quote Odion)
I asked you about whether or not you think Muslims who hold this belief are kufr or not because you seem to act as though believing in evolution is an insult to God.(End Quote)
Response: How does one act like believing in evolution is an insult to God?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Just read your responses in this thread.