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EVOLUTION, what a lie.

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
What is particularly tragic is that at one time Islam led the world in scientific learning and discovery. Somehow this noble tradition has been hijacked and turned into a celebration of ignorance. Maybe someone who has studied the history can fill us in on how this happened.

Response: You just said out of your own mouth that at one time, muslims led the world in scientific learning and discovery. Muslim knowledge comes from the qur'an. That holds as further proof that muslims know exactly what there talking about and you don't. You learned from the muslims. You're so called knowledge of science superiority came from muslims.

So when you claim that ToE is true and at the same time say that at one time muslims led the world in science and yet those leaders never said that ToE is true and muslims still don't 'til this day, that holds as further proof that not only are the muslims right but that ToE is a big fat hoax that you've been brainwashed into believing. You only make yourself look absurd when you call those who reject ToE to be illogical when your knowledge was derived from them.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
mball1297 said:
The problem is it doesn't contradict the Quran. It only contradicts your interpretation of the Quran.(End quote)

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
You just said out of your own mouth that at one time, muslims led the world in scientific learning and discovery. Muslim knowledge comes from the qur'an.
They key words there being, "at one time". Muslims haven't led the world in scientific knowledge for quite some time.

What happened?
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
As I told you earlier, evolution was actually discovered by early Muslim scholars, al-Jahiz and Ibn Miskawayh. Their work no doubt influenced Darwin.

The scientific method was pioneered by a Muslim scholar, Ibn al-Haytham. The same method you reject because it doesn't use proof.

Of course, science has advanced since then, while you have retreated further back into ignorance.

These scholars believed that scientific knowledge brought them closer to God, by knowing His creation. You reject God's truth, in favor of prejudice.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Well, none of it is any more true than ToE. It's all based on evidence. All of it. Nothing in science is proven. Science isn't about proof; it's about evidence. So if you reject all knowledge based on evidence, then you have to reject all scientific knowledge.

NOTHING IN SCIENCE IS PROVEN.

Response: You said it. Nothing in science is proven. Can you do me a favor and keep saying it? It helps a lot. Thanks.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
So, Fatihah, the number of different species in the world has steadily declined over time, right?

And every breed of dog has remained the same since creation?

One thing you model without peer is bad manners. You're actually worse than Christian creationists, and that's saying a lot.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Response: You said it. Nothing in science is proven. Can you do me a favor and keep saying it? It helps a lot. Thanks.

Sure. Would you like it in a big colored font?

Nothing in science is proven.

And it's still our best source of knowledge. But you reject it, because it isn't based on proof, right?
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Response: You just said out of your own mouth that at one time, muslims led the world in scientific learning and discovery.
Yeah, it's sad when ignorant fundamentalists like you allow such a great tradition of learning to be trampled back into ignorance. Don't you agree?
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
I don't for a second discount the contributions Islamic scholars made to early science. The problem is, it kind of came to a screeching halt and the rest of the world flew past you centuries ago.

Response: When all of your knowledge is practically derived from us, it's not called flying past us, because there would be no flying without us.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Response: When all of your knowledge is practically derived from us, it's not called flying past us, because there would be no flying without us.
Certainly there's abundant agreement here that science owes a great deal to early Muslim scholars. But again, the key there being "early".

What happened?
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Response: When all of your knowledge is practically derived from us, it's not called flying past us, because there would be no flying without us.

"All of our knowledge" would be such a gross exaggeration as to be an outright lie, but we know that wouldn't bother you.

At one time Islamic scholars made significant contributions to the world's knowledge. Of course, that was 1000 years ago. It's just really sad that people like you have thrown that tradition in the garbage.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

It's fun talking to someone who has so little to say on a topic that they just keep repeating the same things over and over. :rolleyes:

The proof is in the fact that many Muslims do accept evolution.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
[QUOTE Autodidact]As I told you earlier, evolution was actually discovered by early Muslim scholars, al-Jahiz and Ibn Miskawayh. Their work no doubt influenced Darwin.

The scientific method was pioneered by a Muslim scholar, Ibn al-Haytham. The same method you reject because it doesn't use proof.

Of course, science has advanced since then, while you have retreated further back into ignorance.(End quote)

Response: Neither of them believed in ToE or supported it. Nor can you prove otherwise. So that goes to show who the ignorant one is.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
[QUOTE Autodidact]

One thing you model without peer is bad manners. You're actually worse than Christian creationists, and that's saying a lot.(End quote)

Response: Likewise.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
The proof is in the fact that many Muslims do accept evolution
Relatively speaking, "many" is probably an overstatement. There isn't a lot of data, but what is there strongly suggests that Muslims who accept evolution as valid science are a small minority. Apparently, in many Islamic societies evolution is never even taught.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Sure. Would you like it in a big colored font?

Nothing in science is proven.

And it's still our best source of knowledge. But you reject it, because it isn't based on proof, right?

Response: Right. If you want to accept something that's true when it's not proven, that's your business. But a sensible person chooses the opposite.
 
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