Thief
Rogue Theologian
Dude....Jesus cleared the Temple.....with a whip.
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Experiencing God
- Thread starter Sonofason
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Dude....Jesus cleared the Temple.....with a whip.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
You guys really should read that bible of yours, funny how those who claim to believe in it so rarely seem to have actually read it.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
And non-believers should refrain preaching to the choir.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Teaching you your own scripture should be taken as a blessing - you should thank me, after all it's the words of god you have failed to read.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Read it again, you have clearly missed most of the important bits.
In what language did you read it in? And how much of the culture of the era it was written do you understand?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
The text I keep is King James 1960.
yeah....I know....
But I don't refrain from constant reconsideration.
Shall we do a one on one?
Would love a go at it!
I'm not trying to be confrontational. But if you'd like we can. Where would you like to begin, and what's off limits? For instance, I would completely understand leaving the Old Testament/Tanakh alone. It's obviously ages of oral tradition and legend written down long after whatever inspired them happened, and it is not fair to criticize it unless the person is using it as literal truth.
mystic64
nolonger active
I love you Bunyip
and I admit that what you posted was totally unexpected! With that said and rallying to the defence of my approach to things, you are wrong about what scripture says . Scripture is in the eye of the beholder and only God can tell you what it actually says. Because you are an atheist you can not possibly know what scripture says. Lord Jesus did mention something about grace and humility (or at least some of the apostles did) but that has never been considered a deal breaker when it comes to being a Christian because if it were there would actually be very few true Christians in today's world and in the world of the past. And just for the record it is tricky to maintain a presence on this message board if one is a theist because of the brilliant atheist minds that are at play on this message board. And Thief is hanging in there whatever his methods are, be they Christian or not. One has to admire that, if the debate/discussion environment that we are all playing in is taken into account. And your ploy is an attempt to take him out of the game, which ain't going to happen when it comes to him .
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
Someone has to because apparently the choir has no idea what the hell they're talking about. There are reasons that the studies show conclusively that non-theists know a lot more about religion than the people who supposedly follow it.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
No I am not. There is no need for you to be deceptive, just because I know the bible better than you do. The bible specifically instructs followers to share theor faith with grace and humility - not 'going rogue' as you so charmingly imagined.I love you Bunyip
Rubbish, scripture is not in 'in the eye of the beholder' that is just dishonest. Scripture tells you specifically how to behave when sharing your faith with unbelievers.
Why post all of these pointless deceptions? I was raised a Christian and knowthe bible well - you just need to of read itbefore you tell other people what they know.
The sad old ' no true Scotsman' fallacy raises it's worn old head yet again.Lord Jesus did mention something about grace and humility (or at least some of the apostles did) but that has never been considered a deal breaker when it comes to being a Christian
And just for the record it is tricky to maintain a presence on this message board if one is a theist because of the brilliant atheist minds that are at play on this message board. And Thief is hanging in there
No, not an attempt to keep anyone 'out of the game', if all you have are insults and 'going rogue' as you call it - then you are not in the debate game in the first place.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
The clue is in the "rogue". The challenge is in the "rogue". If you remove the "rogue", then you remove the challenge. It is a game. "It also makes other believers look bad." Bunyip, Thief's approach also gives other believers the opportunity to look good. Defending one's beliefs in an intellectual sense is an artform and a game. Thief and others like him create the game. "Worry not what you will say, for the Holy Spirit will tell you what to say
No... I don't think so.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I can remember events that happened when I was two years old and I am now 72. It seems to me that the writers had to be still living when they wrote their books.
For instance John is the one who states that Jesus told them that there would be another comforter. I believe I have that other comforter so John is reporting accurately something the others missed.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is just as logical to believe God speaks to people as it is to believe He doesn't speak to people, however the evidence is that God speaks to people which negates the null hypothesis which says no such evidence should exist.
I believe I am well past the point of believing what others have said, just because they said it.
In my case I had read that God worked in people's lives and believed it, so when I heard God speak to me I was not surprised. However no-one I knew at the time had ever said anything about having an experience with God.
If you say I had better scripture for believing God would answer, I believe at the time I was not aware of it. Certinly I believe having an experience with God depends on there being someone else with the same experience.
Do you remember these events better at 72 than you did at, say, 20?
But the other gospels say things that John didn't, so how is this a mark in John's favour?
BTW: for a while now, I've thought that "Paraclete" would be a good name for a brand of high quality bedding ("a comforter that will be with you forever").
So, when Allah, or any other deity different from yours, speaks to people, would you consider that a fact?
If not, why not?
Ciao
- viole
mystic64
nolonger active
I am just getting to know you Bunyip. So ok, you were raised a Christian and then became an atheist. Interesting. The goal of evangleistic atheism is to promote that nonexistance of God and basically the super natural as a whole. And I respect that. This topic title is, "Experiencing God." Which you as an declared atheist maintain that experiencing God is not possible because God does not exist. And you as an declared atheist are also censoring a person who is a declared Christian. Which basically means that you as an atheist are attempting to maintain the purity of Christianity as a concept. The question in my mind is why would you do that? Because as an atheist you consider Christianity the samething as believing in Santa Claus. Bunyip, you can not be an atheist and a fundamentalist Christian who is thy brothers keeper at the sametime. Are you saying the Theif is not a Christian because of his actions? This topic is about "Experiencing God". it is not about whether or not a person is a Christian or a failure as a Christian. And there are some of us that consider "debate/discussion" an artform and an intellectual game (you understand both sides of the argument and then pick a side to argue). And we have as much right to be here as those who are like you who consider everything serious and not to be taken lightly.