McBell
Unbound
Would you please be so kind as to present a specific example of faith which does not have an imaginary construct?
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Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.
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allfoak
Alchemist
I hope you don't mind of i give this a try.
The life of a child and it's relationship to it's parents.
I certainly don't believe my faith has an imaginery construct. But I guess my beliefs mean diddly to those who have no faith. But that's the way it is.
Faith is a necessary trust which is needed when one is ignorant of a subject.
When you know nothing about a subject, in this case God, then you have to rely on a teacher or somebody to teach you. You have to have that first little leap of faith because you are completely ignorant and have no means to determine whom to trust.
In the case of Jesus, Jesus is claiming to have knowledge of something you have no knowledge of. To trust Jesus or not trust Jesus, you've no means to determine. To chose to trust what he taught is a matter of faith because of ignorance.
However as you listen and follow and learn and test for yourself, it becomes a matter of relying on what you yourself experience. First you have to listen and learn. Later you can test and verify. The faith comes into play because of ignorance and yes because of your ignorance it is a choice made blind. However the point is not that you remain ignorant forever. Once you have some actual experience then it is a matter of trusting your own experience and not faith in the claims of others.
Faith is the initial step necessary to start down the road to enlightenment.
When you know nothing about a subject, in this case God, then you have to rely on a teacher or somebody to teach you. You have to have that first little leap of faith because you are completely ignorant and have no means to determine whom to trust.
In the case of Jesus, Jesus is claiming to have knowledge of something you have no knowledge of. To trust Jesus or not trust Jesus, you've no means to determine. To chose to trust what he taught is a matter of faith because of ignorance.
However as you listen and follow and learn and test for yourself, it becomes a matter of relying on what you yourself experience. First you have to listen and learn. Later you can test and verify. The faith comes into play because of ignorance and yes because of your ignorance it is a choice made blind. However the point is not that you remain ignorant forever. Once you have some actual experience then it is a matter of trusting your own experience and not faith in the claims of others.
Faith is the initial step necessary to start down the road to enlightenment.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Sure. Faith is a state of mind. As I said, faith is the assurance of things hoped for.
Ah, so faith is not directly associated with God(s) by necessity, then?
McBell
Unbound
So you do not have one?I certainly don't believe my faith has an imaginery construct. But I guess my beliefs mean diddly to those who have no faith. But that's the way it is.
Oh, I have one, all right.
McBell
Unbound
I take it you do not have an example either...
interesting that two people have replied to the request, but neither are able to present.
McBell
Unbound
Too bad, it can be fun.
The only example I have is my own faith: I don't see it as an imaginary contruct; it's real to me. I felt if I say things like that, it would seem as a "non-answer", and it probably would be to most people.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I've given it to you twice now. third time's a charm, I hope, unless you're gonna be too stubborn to read it: Faith is a state of mind. Faith is the assurance of things hoped for.
Thana
Lady
I know, That's who I was referring too.
I wouldn't call myself a biblical literalist, I do believe in Genesis, but I also accept Evolution.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
And that is changing. Religiosity in the first world has been consistently diminishing for the past 40-50 years and it won't be long until the non-religious outnumber the religious, that will almost certainly happen within our lifetimes. There will come a time in maybe the next 50 years where claiming to be religious publically will be looked at as an oddity. The rest of the planet will come along as science and technology forces the religious out of the darkness and into the light and people realize just how silly all of this stuff really is. We just have to have patience, everything is already heading in that direction.
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Does your Qu'ran not warn against idol worship?
The bible and Jesus certainly do and your religion is a take off on that is it not?
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
You sound like a Gnostic Christian. Respect my friend.
God is definitely evolving along with man's understanding of things.
If you can spare the time, please have a look at the following.
The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized.
This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, then you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. It is to become more fully human.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Literal reading of myths is and that is what leads to delusional fantasies.
Please see that 1st. link just above.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
You are looking from your mythic world and I am not surprised that you cannot see well from there.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
So now, what you worship is not an idol.
What are you worshipping if not your idolized God and why are you worshipping whatever it is?
Or is it a he?
Regards
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
I've seen it. -- Literal reading of myths is not the problem. You should be able to pinpoint the actual issues, and I encourage you to do so. We need to be precise, if we're to find solutions.