Fascism - Why...

[Kfox]

What do you call it then, when a person who was not democratically elected, is installed as the President, while the person that was democratically elected, is booted out?

There was no attempt to do this.

They were attempting to STOP THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER TO THE NEW DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT so that the guy who lost could remain President. This isn't rocket science.

Good lord.

Then why didn’t they bring Trump with them? How you gonna install your guy as president when your guy isn’t even there? And how were they supposed to get past the police? Or even the Military? Did they think all 3 branches of the military were going to break their oath and side with them to enforce their wishes?
Good lord!!!

 

[Kfox]

They quite clearly wanted to install Trump.

Install Trump? Trump was still President during that time; they wanted him to remain President.

And we're prepared to break the law to do so. As those that have been convicted for it have found out, to their cost.
That they were fooled by Trump into doing so was no excuse, as their sentences demonstrated.

They were just trying to disrupt the process, that's why after they accomplished their goal, they left on their own. Quit making it out to be more than it was.

 

[Kfox]

Unless the proud boys (et al) attack the other two branches and kill a bunch of people. If they can install a President, what is to stop them from installing a Senator or 10?

The Proud Boys? What's to stop them??? How about the police for start! You think the Proud Boys have the power to just walk into DC and over throw the Government? And all 3 branches of the Military are just gonna break their oath and follow the Proud Boys??? Are you kidding me??? Where are you guys getting this stuff!!

 

[fantome profane]

Again; there was no attempt to replace any elected person with Trump.

Again, and again and again and again and again.

It doesn't matter how many times you say it. Say it again and again and again. It is not true and repetition will not make it true.

The reality is that this was an attempt to replace the duly elected President with the person who lost the election. You can claim otherwise, but that is just the reality of the situation.

 

[Kfox]

Your first point -- exactly so, as many of us have said to you over and over and over again. But that is not protesting against democracy, it was a protest against a process that was unfair and unjust. Perhaps that doesn't concern you, but it does me.

I'm not the one in this conversation claiming anybody was protesting against democracy; that would be your claim. Just as those under Jim Crow were protesting a process that was unfair and unjust, the rioters of Jan 6 thought they were protesting against a process that was unfair and unjust

Now, as to your comment about "they were convinced it was not a free and fair election," you need to remember this: you cannot be convinced that your neighbour raped your wife and be justified in shooting him. You at least need some evidence -- BUT EVEN THAT WON'T HELP YOU! You don't get to shoot him on the basis of your belief no matter how well evidenced. That is called ILLEGAL.

No kidding! That's why they're going to prison; what's your point?

But even worse, regarding their conviction about the election, they already had the results of 61 court cases -- court cases that did examine whatever evidence the nay-sayers cared to produce. Being ignorant is not, I'm sorry to say it, an excuse in law.

No Kidding! That's why they're going to prison; what's your point?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm not the one in this conversation claiming anybody was protesting against democracy; that would be your claim. Just as those under Jim Crow were protesting a process that was unfair and unjust, the rioters of Jan 6 thought they were protesting against a process that was unfair and unjust

No kidding! That's why they're going to prison; what's your point?

No Kidding! That's why they're going to prison; what's your point?

GREAT QUESTIONS!

So what has been your point in dragging this nonsense out for so freaking long?

 

[Kfox]

Again, and again and again and again and again.

It doesn't matter how many times you say it. Say it again and again and again. It is not true and repetition will not make it true.

The reality is that this was an attempt to replace the duly elected President with the person who lost the election. You can claim otherwise, but that is just the reality of the situation.

First of all; Trump was still President during that time so there was nobody to replace. Second; I base my claim that they were only trying to disrupt things on their actions; once they got control of the building there was no attempt to keep Trump as President. What do you base your claim on?

 

[Kfox]

GREAT QUESTIONS!

So what has been your point in dragging this nonsense out for so freaking long?

Again! That these people were not trying to get rid of the other 2 branches of Government and install Trump as Dictator. Thats the only point I was making.

 

[fantome profane]

First of all; Trump was still President during that time so there was nobody to replace. Second; I base my claim that they were only trying to disrupt things on their actions; once they got control of the building there was no attempt to keep Trump as President. What do you base your claim on?

On what they said and on what they did. The said this was about making sure Trump stayed President. They disrupted the procedure that would make Biden the official President elect. They did this in an attempt to keep Trump as President.

You can pretend those things didn't happen, but they did.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Again! That these people were not trying to get rid of the other 2 branches of Government and install Trump as Dictator. Thats the only point I was making.

Okay, over to you! The rest of us have done our best, and you have denied, denied and denied again.

So! What do you think they were trying to do? Please remember to include the calls to "hang Mike Pence," in your answer.

 

[Kfox]

On what they said and on what they did. The said this was about making sure Trump stayed President. They disrupted the procedure that would make Biden the official President elect. They did this in an attempt to keep Trump as President.

You can pretend those things didn't happen, but they did.

So what did they do to ensure Trump remained president?

 

[Kfox]

So! What do you think they were trying to do? Please remember to include the calls to "hang Mike Pence," in your answer.

As I said countless times before, they disrupted the process. As far as calls to hang Mike Pence, who knows what that meant? Let's say for sake of discussion, they actually wanted to hang the Vice President; Killing the Vice President does not keep the President in power; so...... what's your point here?

 

[fantome profane]

So what did they do to ensure Trump remained president?

They attempted to ensure Trump remained President by disrupting the procedure. They forced the Congress to evacuate. They threatened the lives and safety of everyone who was there that day doing their jobs (or just family members who wanted to be there)

Didn't I say that in the last post?

 

[Kfox]

They attempted to ensure Trump remained President by disrupting the procedure. They forced the Congress to evacuate. They threatened the lives and safety of everyone who was there that day doing their jobs (or just family members who wanted to be there)

Didn't I say that in the last post?

Disrupt the procedure? Or PREVENT the procedure. Disruption accomplishes nothing because once the disruption is over, the procedure continues. Preventing the procedure, that's a different story. So; did they attempt to disrupt? Or prevent.

 

[fantome profane]

Disrupt the procedure? Or PREVENT the procedure. Disruption accomplishes nothing because once the disruption is over, the procedure continues. Preventing the procedure, that's a different story. So; did they attempt to disrupt? Or prevent.

Wow! What a load of garbage. Do you want to play games with the thesaurus or do you want to have a serious discussion?

They forced the Congress to evacuate, they occupied the Capital, they **** on the walls! Are you seriously going to tell me they intended this to be a "minor delay"?

Of course they intended to prevent the procedure! They disrupted it with the intent to prevent it. They disrupted it with the intent to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. They disrupted it with the intent to reject democracy.


If you intend to keep up this hair splitting bull****, don't bother replying to any of my posts any more. I am happy to discuss this with you, but I am not playing games.

 

[Kfox]

Of course they intended to prevent the procedure! They disrupted it with the intent to prevent it.

Once they gained control of the Capital, what did they do to prevent the transfer of power?

 

[fantome profane]

Once they gained control of the Capital, what did they do to prevent the transfer of power?

They occupied the capital. What more would they need to do?

 

[Kfox]

They occupied the capital. What more would they need to do?

They would have to defeat any police force that would oppose them, as well as defeat all 3 branches of the US Military, or get the military to join their side. What steps did they take to accomplish this?

 

[fantome profane]

They would have to defeat any police force that would oppose them, as well as defeat all 3 branches of the US Military, or get the military to join their side. What steps did they take to accomplish this?

They successfully broke through the police barriers, and broke into to capital, they made their way to the Senate chamber. All they would have had to do was hold out for a few more hours and it would have been too late.



Now I think I have answered quite a few of your questions. You don't you try.

Why did they break into the capital if it was not to prevent the procedure?

Don't tell me they were there to file a complaint.
Don't tell me they were part of a peaceful protest.
Don't tell me they were tourists just looking around.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

There was no attempt to do this.

Then why didn’t they bring Trump with them? How you gonna install your guy as president when your guy isn’t even there? And how were they supposed to get past the police? Or even the Military? Did they think all 3 branches of the military were going to break their oath and side with them to enforce their wishes?
Good lord!!!

They were expecting him to join them had they succeeded. That is how insurrections work.
Trump should have called the forces out to stop them breaking in but he chose not to. The standing security had no chance.

You. Are clearly a denier. Of what actually happened.