Fighting Two Fronts

[Ben Masada]

What 'law' are you quoting?

Dying physically?...yes of course...we all do.

Dying spiritually?....

And God would have cause to create a terminal being?
Human life is a futile exercise?

The law of genesis and destruction is the law that if one is born, he is prone to die and not to live forever. (Gen. 3:22) That's a natural law, which only God is not under. Of course I mean physical death. There is no such thing is dying spiritually if not taken metaphorically. What cause would God have to create a terminal being? God is a God of the living and not of the dead. And human life is not a futile exercise. That's what God has given us to enjoy.

 

[Thief]

The law of genesis and destruction is the law that if one is born, he is prone to die and not to live forever. (Gen. 3:22) That's a natural law, which only God is not under. Of course I mean physical death. There is no such thing is dying spiritually if not taken metaphorically. What cause would God have to create a terminal being? God is a God of the living and not of the dead. And human life is not a futile exercise. That's what God has given us to enjoy.

And somehow....
you have not considered that this creation....called Man....
is the means by which individual spirits come into existence?

You are here to learn all that you can before you die.
Your body is good for this one thing.

Then you go back to God...spiritually.

 

[Ben Masada]

No. It would be a nearly meaningless deception, Ben. Which is why perhaps hundreds of millions of people do it to themselves every day.

I don't remember saying that I would do it, however. Nor giving you reason to expect me to care if you approve, anyway. There are lots of things in me that you don't believe in.


Don't bother. I certainly don't. It is not healthy for you to care so much about your opinion about my beliefs, besides.

Yes, there are a lot about people we connect with, that we just can't find a way to know much about him or her. But with regards to the name (Luis Dantas) are you somehow from Brazil or related to? I lived many years in Brazil and the name reminds me of a few I met in that big Country.

 

[Ben Masada]

And somehow....
you have not considered that this creation....called Man....
is the means by which individual spirits come into existence?

You are here to learn all that you can before you die.
Your body is good for this one thing.

Then you go back to God...spiritually.

No, I do not believe that there is a stockpile of spirits waiting for someone to be born so that one of them grab the chance to jump into existence. Yes, learning is all that life is about. Then, the "going back to God who gave it" is a reference to the breath of life that leaves the body when death comes.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes, there are a lot about people we connect with, that we just can't find a way to know much about him or her. But with regards to the name (Luis Dantas) are you somehow from Brazil or related to? I lived many years in Brazil and the name reminds me of a few I met in that big Country.

Yes, I am Brazilian.

 

[Thief]

No, I do not believe that there is a stockpile of spirits waiting for someone to be born so that one of them grab the chance to jump into existence. Yes, learning is all that life is about. Then, the "going back to God who gave it" is a reference to the breath of life that leaves the body when death comes.

There are 6billion people on this earth.
Most believe that going to heaven has some 'requirement'.

And why choose out of mediocrity when the very best is at hand to choose from?

Apparently...you're not going?

 

[PolyHedral]

Because "choosing" doesn't make any sense at all when you have infinite resources?

 

[Thief]

Because "choosing" doesn't make any sense at all when you have infinite resources?

Don't forget proximity.

Oh that's right...you're not really into God?

 

[PolyHedral]

I'm not forgetting anything. Being selective only makes sense if you have a limited amount of something.

 

[Ben Masada]

There are 6billion people on this earth.
Most believe that going to heaven has some 'requirement'.

And why choose out of mediocrity when the very best is at hand to choose from?

Apparently...you're not going?

Let me tell you something else. When Jesus delivered the parable of the Richman and Lazarus, he said that the only way to escape Hell was by listening to Moses. Do you happen to know the meaning of Moses in this statement of Jesus? Law. That's the only way to avoid going to Hell, by obeying God's Law. (Luke 16:29-31) Apparently, you are not aware on how to avoid Hell, are you? Please, before you think of this as Jewish legalism, read the quotation given above as of coming from Jesus himself. Thank you.

 

[Ben Masada]

Yes, I am Brazilian.

Entao, como vai voce bem? Eu vivi no Brasil por 20 anos, onde estudei Filosofia na Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro. Faculdade de Letras. Eu morava na Praia de Botafogo. Depois eu me mudei para uma casa maior na Tijuca. Me casei com uma linda garota de Ipanema e voltamos para a America. Nos nos divorciamos em Los Angeles, e eu resolvi fazer Aliyah e ja vivo em Israel por 20 anos na cidade de Ramat Gan, onde comprei um apartmento e me casei pela segunda vez com uma garota Yemenita filha de um Rabino. Tenho dois filhos que viven em Los Angeles.

Now, how is my Portuguese, still good?

 

[Thief]

Let me tell you something else. When Jesus delivered the parable of the Richman and Lazarus, he said that the only way to escape Hell was by listening to Moses. Do you happen to know the meaning of Moses in this statement of Jesus? Law. That's the only way to avoid going to Hell, by obeying God's Law. (Luke 16:29-31) Apparently, you are not aware on how to avoid Hell, are you? Please, before you think of this as Jewish legalism, read the quotation given above as of coming from Jesus himself. Thank you.

Here's your sign...
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

And in the next life...it will be done unto you as you did unto others.

There you go.

 

[LuisDantas]

Now, how is my Portuguese, still good?

Oh yes, it is probably better than my English. Quite fluent and shows a remarkable domain of number and gender concordance, which are challenging even for us natives.

I happen to be a Carioca myself, btw. My grandparents lived in Tijuca for some years. It is perhaps my favorite neighborhood in Rio.

 

[Ben Masada]

Oh yes, it is probably better than my English. Quite fluent and shows a remarkable domain of number and gender concordance, which are challenging even for us natives.

I happen to be a Carioca myself, btw. My grandparents lived in Tijuca for some years. It is perhaps my favorite neighborhood in Rio.

Perhaps it was from Tijuca that I got familiar with the name Luis Dantas. That's interesting. It is proof that this world is smaller than we think.

 

[Ben Masada]

Here's your sign...
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

And in the next life...it will be done unto you as you did unto others.

There you go.

Thief, the next life won't be life but death in the grave. There is no afterlife as you have been deceived to trust your faith in. What you have mentioned above is known as the Golden Rule. We all have broken it from time to time, including Jesus who did it for several times. It means that he was not as that perfect as you claim he was. (Eccl. 12:7)

 

[Ben Masada]

There are 6billion people on this earth.
Most believe that going to heaven has some 'requirement'.

And why choose out of mediocrity when the very best is at hand to choose from?

Apparently...you're not going?

Remember the Golden Rule you mentioned above? That's what I base my life on: To make of this world a heaven for me and for others around me. My loyalty to God is not based on the reward of the promise of heaven in the afterlife, but on the fact that this is a Jewish thing to do.

 

[kylixguru]

Thief, the next life won't be life but death in the grave. There is no afterlife as you have been deceived to trust your faith in. What you have mentioned above is known as the Golden Rule. We all have broken it from time to time, including Jesus who did it for several times. It means that he was not as that perfect as you claim he was. (Eccl. 12:7)

To not believe in the resurrection (both physical and spiritual) is to make the whole point of the existence of the people of Israel meaningless. I'd much rather live on faith in a just and merciful God than purposeless egocentrism.

 

[Thief]

Remember the Golden Rule you mentioned above? That's what I base my life on: To make of this world a heaven for me and for others around me. My loyalty to God is not based on the reward of the promise of heaven in the afterlife, but on the fact that this is a Jewish thing to do.

So you would say heaven is of this world?

Good luck with that.

And still it remains....God is spirit....so too the angels....
and you're willing to be dust....
not willing....or desiring to live with them?

 

[Ben Masada]

To not believe in the resurrection (both physical and spiritual) is to make the whole point of the existence of the people of Israel meaningless. I'd much rather live on faith in a just and merciful God than purposeless egocentrism.

This kind of faith based on the reward of resurrection is a conditional faith worthy menstrual rags, if you forgive me the disgusting adjective. No difference from the faith of Paul who was ready to make a carnival of his life if the dead won't resurrect. As he said, "Let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die." (I Cor. 15:32) That's very embarrassing for the founder of Christianity. (Acts 11:26)

 

[Ben Masada]

So you would say heaven is of this world?

Good luck with that.

And still it remains....God is spirit....so too the angels....
and you're willing to be dust....
not willing....or desiring to live with them?

Why do you insist on digging contradictions in the Scriptures? I have quoted even more than several times that there is no eternal life for man. Again, I say, man was cast out of the Garden of Eden to prevent him from eating from the tree of life and live forever. It means that eternity is an attribute which belongs to God only, and that it was not granted to man. That's in Genesis 3:22. It's too clear to the understanding of any thinking human being. I think you insist on not accepting this truth because it goes against all your dreams of an eternal afterlife. I am sure that Paul knew about that, but he was smart enough to think that if he told his listeners the truth, he would never be able to build his church.