first-born of all creation

[Nada]

I believe this is pure speculation lacking any evidence to support it.

I don't believe I do but both the Norse myths and Greek myths say "man" was created by the gods so I would say it makes sense that God is speakig to the gods.

I believe if there is a resemblance to any racial group, the Adamic race looks a bit Greek.

So you believe that man was created by gods, and not God the Almighty in the holy scriptures?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by JM2C View Post
Adam in Genesis?

I believe It wasn't Adam and that God never says who it was.

Muffled, The Hebrew for "man" = "adam". In Gen.5:1-2, there is this explanation, "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

 

[Muffled]

So you believe that man was created by gods, and not God the Almighty in the holy scriptures?

I believe God created all things. Adam and Eve were creations in the sense that they were not walking, talking human beings but just DNA. From the DNA the bodies were created by the gods who I believe were acting in concert with God's will and then God breathed in a spirit to make them souls. The DNA evidence is that the Norse originate from Caucasions who appeared on earth around 10,000 BC but the timeline of Adam and Eve puts their creation somewhere around 5,000 BC. It is possible that Africans are the oldest indiginous race on earth although Australopithicus might be indiginous also. One might assume that God created one original race for the universe but IMO God likes diversity and most likely created a multitude of races throughout the universe.

 

[Muffled]

Originally Posted by JM2C View Post
Adam in Genesis?



Muffled, The Hebrew for "man" = "adam". In Gen.5:1-2, there is this explanation, "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

I believe however Adam was never called the first person of creation. He may have been called the first Adam and that may mean man in a sense but only to distinguish him from Aliens. And the only reason he is first is that there was no Adamic person before him. There were lots of other persons who were not Adamic.

 

[sincerly]

I believe however Adam was never called the first person of creation. He may have been called the first Adam and that may mean man in a sense but only to distinguish him from Aliens. And the only reason he is first is that there was no Adamic person before him. There were lots of other persons who were not Adamic.

Muffled. The only other beings which are spoken of in the Scriptures are the Angels of heaven. Mankind is presently deciding its fate. To Live or the Die(Return to ashes).

 

[truth4u]

"who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation," Colossians 1:15

The above verse often is understood to mean that Jesus existed before all other creation, but when we look at the term 'firstborn', and 'created beings', in the light of the context of the whole Bible, it does not really indicate literally the firstborn of creation of the world, No!, It is only in the sense of being the first in His Age who was born among the spiritually dead people. These verses makes it clear:

"And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy" Colossians 1:18

Col. 1:15-18 actually gives a very BRIEF CHRONOLOGICAL OVERVIEW of Jesus life, and how God used him for our benefit in every aspect of our existence.

1. Verse 15 = Jesus created/begot or brought forth by God as "firstborn OF EVERY CREATURE." [NOT CONGREGATION] The phrase "firstborn of every creature" cannot refer to Jesus' resurrection, since every creature is not resurrected; and, it is not rank, because of the reference to Jesus being the image of God which refers to being made in God's likeness. Phil. 2:6

2. Verse 16 = Jesus was used by God as his agent to help with the creation of " all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth . . . ." Heb. 1:2; Eph. 3:9,14 KJV

3. Verse 17 = "Jesus is before ALL THINGS . . ." The phrase "all things" is not a reference to the resurrection, since all things are not resurrected, thus, Jesus is BEFORE all things that were created after him.

4. Verse 18 = "he is the head of the body, the church . . . ." Jesus began the Christian congregation on earth and became its head.

5. Verse 18 = Jesus is "the firstborn from the dead . . . ." Jesus is the first human that God raised from the dead, thus, serves as an example that mankind can live again by means of resurrection.

This is so very reasonable to me. I compare this to human fathers and firstborn sons. It is typical for a human father to teach his son all that he knows, to allow him to be an apprentice, and learn how to do by hands on experience what his father does. This is such a loving action on the part of our heavenly Father towards his firstborn son, Jesus. Jesus' Father provided Jesus with meaningful and loving works to do his whole life. Jesus' loving works has been to help his Father with all creations, especially mankind. Of "wisdom" in Prov. 8:31, it is said, "And my delight was with the sons of men." This is logically Jesus, who had taken great delight in helping mankind.

 

[Faybull]

"who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation," Colossians 1:15

The above verse often is understood to mean that Jesus existed before all other creation, but when we look at the term 'firstborn', and 'created beings', in the light of the context of the whole Bible, it does not really indicate literally the firstborn of creation of the world, No!, It is only in the sense of being the first in His Age who was born among the spiritually dead people. These verses makes it clear:

"And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy" Colossians 1:18

The term 'dead' in above verse has a spiritual signification, similar to:

"Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14

According to this concept that by coming of Jesus revelation a 'new man' was created, that caused the 'dead' to rise from their spiritual sleep, Jesus Himself is considered to be the Firstborn among all those who were created new. This concept is seen from the following verse:


"and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator" Colossians 3:10

Accordingly, the "first-born of all creation", meaning after the Sabbath, was Cain. Adam was "chosen", also was already existing before the Sabbath. So his creation, meaning Gods, well, verify this: Cain is the firstborn.

 

[Pegg]

Accordingly, the "first-born of all creation", meaning after the Sabbath, was Cain. Adam was "chosen", also was already existing before the Sabbath. So his creation, meaning Gods, well, verify this: Cain is the firstborn.

the 'firstborn of ALL' creation could not have been Cain. Angels existed before mankind, and so did the animals. So Cain could not have come before any of the them could he?

 

[Faybull]

Cain would of literally, been the first born of the creation. In Genesis.

 

[Muffled]

Muffled. The only other beings which are spoken of in the Scriptures are the Angels of heaven. Mankind is presently deciding its fate. To Live or the Die(Return to ashes).

I believe the Bible has information about that which it wishes to talk about but that it is not all the information that is available. So I believe saying something isn't in the Bible so it must not exist is pure fantasy on your part.

 

[Muffled]

Accordingly, the "first-born of all creation", meaning after the Sabbath, was Cain. Adam was "chosen", also was already existing before the Sabbath. So his creation, meaning Gods, well, verify this: Cain is the firstborn.

I believe Cain was not created so he does not fit into the realm of that which is created.

 

[sincerly]

sincerly said: ↑
Muffled. The only other beings which are spoken of in the Scriptures are the Angels of heaven. Mankind is presently deciding its fate. To Live or the Die(Return to ashes).

I believe the Bible has information about that which it wishes to talk about but that it is not all the information that is available. So I believe saying something isn't in the Bible so it must not exist is pure fantasy on your part.

So where are you obtaining information from that is "out-side of the Biblical Scriptures"?
John 17:17, "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

Read Col.1:12-20; Ps.89:27; and Rev.3:14---all are in reference to Jesus Christ.

 

[Unification]

"who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation," Colossians 1:15

The above verse often is understood to mean that Jesus existed before all other creation, but when we look at the term 'firstborn', and 'created beings', in the light of the context of the whole Bible, it does not really indicate literally the firstborn of creation of the world, No!, It is only in the sense of being the first in His Age who was born among the spiritually dead people. These verses makes it clear:

"And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy" Colossians 1:18

The term 'dead' in above verse has a spiritual signification, similar to:

"Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14

According to this concept that by coming of Jesus revelation a 'new man' was created, that caused the 'dead' to rise from their spiritual sleep, Jesus Himself is considered to be the Firstborn among all those who were created new. This concept is seen from the following verse:


"and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator" Colossians 3:10

The firstborn of every individual is the Spirit. The light in every individual. The life in every individual ( Spirit and blood). Which is Christ, the Lord... The life in every creature. Apart from the Spirit we can do no good. Why can't any individual boast? Because only the Spirit is good which creates fruit in the human body. The human body was created for the Spirit, for the will of God. The vessel to carry out fhe Spirit's will. How does God know our thoughts and desires and if our every move, thoughts, etc.. is in vain or purity? Because the Lord (the Spirit) dwells in every individual. Don't worship the image of the beast (a fleshly figure).... The Lord is the Spirit and the truth and the life in ALL mankind. When we find the truth, we truly realize that the Lord is in you and you are in the Lord. Spiritual marriage between Spirit (husband) and body(wife.)

 

[moorea944]

John 8:58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.

Jesus lived long before Abraham did. This proves that being 'the firstborn of all creation' really does refer to his 'existence' and not to some spiritual awakening.

Jesus did not live before Abraham. "Before Abraham was, I am". This is saying that the Gospel was taught long before Abraham. People knew about a coming messiah that would take away the sins of the world. Adam and Eve knew that too. Jesus did not pre-exist before his birth. Scripture is clear on that.

 

[Muffled]

So you believe that man was created by gods, and not God the Almighty in the holy scriptures?

I beleive that God rightly takes the credit even though He wasn't directly involved. I believe the gods acted on His behalf since they had no axe to grind of their owm and were more interested in preserving their own race than creating another one.

 

[Muffled]

sincerly said: ↑
Muffled. The only other beings which are spoken of in the Scriptures are the Angels of heaven. Mankind is presently deciding its fate. To Live or the Die(Return to ashes).



So where are you obtaining information from that is "out-side of the Biblical Scriptures"?
John 17:17, "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

Read Col.1:12-20; Ps.89:27; and Rev.3:14---all are in reference to Jesus Christ.

I beleive Science, norse myths, Greek myths, Egyptian history to name a few.

 

[Muffled]

Jesus did not live before Abraham. "Before Abraham was, I am". This is saying that the Gospel was taught long before Abraham. People knew about a coming messiah that would take away the sins of the world. Adam and Eve knew that too. Jesus did not pre-exist before his birth. Scripture is clear on that.

However, I believe the Spirit of God in Jesus has always existed and Jesus relates more to the Spirit within as His identity than He does with the flesh.

 

[Muffled]

Yes, I think this is valid.

I believe it sounds good but it lacks credibility. Jesus wasn't born before creation but was born somewhere around 1 AD.

 

[Muffled]

Yes, most people see it that way. In our view, Bible has a hidden meaning (inner meaning). The inner meaning of story of creation in Bible, is spiritual creation in 6000 years, started from Adam, and ended in year 1844. This was the first creation of the World, and at the end of this World, and new World was to come. In our view, the new World started after 1844. It was the beginning of a new human era, which we live in now. This is the new creation.... By creation I mean, creation of human civilization, through guidance of God, by progressive revelations.

I believe there isn't a shred of Biblical or historical evidence to support this view.

 

[bird]

"who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation," Colossians 1:15

The above verse often is understood to mean that Jesus existed before all other creation, but when we look at the term 'firstborn', and 'created beings', in the light of the context of the whole Bible, it does not really indicate literally the firstborn of creation of the world, No!, It is only in the sense of being the first in His Age who was born among the spiritually dead people. These verses makes it clear:

"And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy" Colossians 1:18

The term 'dead' in above verse has a spiritual signification, similar to:

"Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14

According to this concept that by coming of Jesus revelation a 'new man' was created, that caused the 'dead' to rise from their spiritual sleep, Jesus Himself is considered to be the Firstborn among all those who were created new. This concept is seen from the following verse:


"and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator" Colossians 3:10

I agree with this. The Bible is written in parable form (Psalm 78:2) and words must be compared with other places where they occur in the Bible to get at the parable meanings. The word creation is often abused by readers who do not realize the Bible is talking about those saved persons who God creates in his image (the believers) when he talks about his creation. He is not talking about planets and the universe in these instances. Jesus was declared a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec in Hebrews 7. He says that before Abraham was he was (John 8:58). He appears to have been throughout eternity. However, the same chapter 7 in Hebrews says that he offered himself up as a sacrifice just once, for those he came to save. It was from this death of sacrifice on the cross that he was the first born from. Those who would be born to new spiritual life come afterwards. Incidentally, this is the same birth that is spoken of as the first resurrection in Rev. 20:6. The true believers are said to have part in this first resurrection of Christ, because they are saved through it. Their mention in this Rev 20:6 verse is just more evidence that the Col 1:15 verse in question is talking about the true believers only when it mentions 'creation'.