First person shooter video games

[Revoltingest]

Fair point. I tend to be jovial even at the worst of times

I never use humor.

 

[We Never Know]

That could buy a lot of research to show that
violent video games will raise a child's IQ by
20 points, & make them eat their broccoli.

I don't know about IQ and broccoli but it could definatley buy some studies.

 

[SomeRandom]

I never use humor.

Right. Just like you never eat bacon
I believe you. Millions wouldn’t

 

[We Never Know]

That could buy a lot of research to show that
violent video games will raise a child's IQ by
20 points, & make them eat their broccoli.

No one wants to point reasons or blame toward mental illness, medications, violent games, etc etc. They want to blame the gun.

However there has to be a reason why mass shootings have risen besides just blaming the "inanimate gun". The gun takes a human to operate it. What drives or is pushing those humans to do mass shootings?

 

[Revoltingest]

No one wants to point reasons or blame toward mental illness, medications, violent games, etc etc. They want to blame the gun.

However there has to be a reason why mass shootings have risen besides just blaming the "inanimate gun". The gun takes a human to operate it. What drives or is pushing those humans to do mass shootings?

Blaming factors leading to mass
shootings is above my pay grade.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No one wants to point reasons or blame toward mental illness, medications, violent games, etc etc. They want to blame the gun.

However there has to be a reason why mass shootings have risen besides just blaming the "inanimate gun". The gun takes a human to operate it. What drives or is pushing those humans to do mass shootings?

Breakdown of society. There's a lot of bottled up anger among younger males. They tend to feel they have no prospects in society and so lash out. A lot of these shootings are spectacle suicides where they are venting their rage towards the world before they off themselves.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

But you're acting as if it's somehow relevant to the points that people have actually brought up in this thread.

No, I am not. You seem to be trying very hard to make it as though that's what I'm saying or doing; please stop doing that.

It's relevant in that you asked why I'm using the term. No more than that.

So what? Unless somebody in this thread is doing that why even bring it up here? How is it relevant to the discussion we're having?

Where do the studies come from? Why is it brought up any time there's ever a shooting and the shooter just happened to be a 20-something who also incidentally played the most common video games? Every time this sort of thing happens Fox Entertainment would rather scream about how video games are corrupting the youths, rather than address clear rampant mental health issues that our nation has.

There's a war on video games?

Note the quotation marks, please.

Sounds like you're dismissing any and all arguments on this topic that you don't like the sounds of no matter who they're coming from.

Okay so let's take it back to the beginning.

What about First-Person Shooter games that don't feature guns? Do those inspire mass shootings as well? What about Third-Person Shooter games where the perspective is over the shoulder; do those inspire violence and debauchery to be carried out in the real world? How about the fact that none of these games, not a single one, reflect how it is to actually wield a gun, nor properly prepare or convey how to safely and effectively fire one to the person playing the game? Hardly a "Mass Murder Training Simulator" if it doesn't teach anything.

 

[We Never Know]

Blaming factors leading to mass
shootings is above my pay grade.

There has to be a reason why mass shooting are more frequent.
Guns are harder to get. For example when I was a 18 I could walk into a walmart, otasco, pawnshop, etc buy a gun and walk out with it the second it was it was paid for. Can't do that anymore.

 

[We Never Know]

No, I am not. You seem to be trying very hard to make it as though that's what I'm saying or doing; please stop doing that.

It's relevant in that you asked why I'm using the term. No more than that.


Where do the studies come from? Why is it brought up any time there's ever a shooting and the shooter just happened to be a 20-something who also incidentally played the most common video games? Every time this sort of thing happens Fox Entertainment would rather scream about how video games are corrupting the youths, rather than address clear rampant mental health issues that our nation has.


Note the quotation marks, please.


Okay so let's take it back to the beginning.

What about First-Person Shooter games that don't feature guns? Do those inspire mass shootings as well? What about Third-Person Shooter games where the perspective is over the shoulder; do those inspire violence and debauchery to be carried out in the real world? How about the fact that none of these games, not a single one, reflect how it is to actually wield a gun, nor properly prepare or convey how to safely and effectively fire one to the person playing the game? Hardly a "Mass Murder Training Simulator" if it doesn't teach anything.

"What about First-Person Shooter games that don't feature guns?"

Is this an oxymoron?

What is a FPS game that doesn't have guns?
List a few would ya.

 

[Revoltingest]

There has to be a reason why mass shooting are more frequent.
Guns are harder to get. For example when I was a 18 I could walk into a walmart, otasco, pawnshop, etc buy a gun and walk out with it the second it was it was paid for. Can't do that anymore.

Could be multiple reasons.

 

[We Never Know]

Could be multiple reasons.

I agree it could be. Its time to quit blaming an inanimate gun that takes a human to operate it and focus on the humans.

 

[Quagmire]

Maybe I’m not getting my point across properly.
Okay. I mean I’m incoherent at the best of times so maybe I shouldn’t be shocked
Let’s try this.

Let’s say that you make a thread discussing the terrible things one can find in a ceremony where a person is hung drawn and quartered. An actual thing that used to happen in society
You might point out to me that the inherent violence is the issue. How it’s corrupting the youth who witness such actions on a public stage. I might counter that the action in and of itself can’t be the only contributing factor because not only is it something that just happens as a consequence of society. But that other contributing factors occur in our society and others
Both of us are bringing up our own point of view and how this specific action affects people who witness it.
Maybe neither of our viewpoints are drawn due to politics whatsoever. Maybe we even agree on who we support. Do you think that perhaps both can be true at the same time?



Sure, you can do that.
Just as I’m sure people did the exact same thing when people decried Batman for promoting violence in the youth.
Don’t tell me that wasn’t a thing back in the day.

This argument seems rehashed to me because we quite literally learnt about it in media studies.
Like not even kidding. Kind of weird in hindsight, tbh



Fair enough.



I can see what you’re saying.



Alright. I will admit that perhaps my ego was inflated, needlessly so. That’s my bad


I’m a dumbass. What can I say?

If I thought you were a dumbass I'd cut you more slack.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

What is a FPS game that doesn't have guns?
List a few would ya.

I have, but okay.
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Far Cry: Primal
No Man's Sky

Then some that have guns, but in which they are not the primary focus or weapon, and are actually advised against in use:
Mirror's Edge
Mirror's Edge: Catalyst
Dishonored
Dishonored 2

 

[SomeRandom]

"What about First-Person Shooter games that don't feature guns?"

Is this an oxymoron?

What is a FPS game that doesn't have guns?
List a few would ya.

Witcher 3
Lord of the Rings
Tick down
S.W.A.T

I don’t even play FPS normally and even I know there exists FPS games without guns.

 

[SomeRandom]

If I thought you were a dumbass I'd cut you more slack.

Lol fair enough

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Witcher 3
Lord of the Rings

Don't know about the other two, but nah The Witcher III would be a Third-Person Shooter game, in which the camera is over the character's shoulder, and the reticule (typically with ranged weapons like the crossbow or Witcher Signs) is a nebulous reticle, rather than being projected from the character's center-of-view. Depends on which Lord of the Rings game, but most I've played have been TPS as well; the ones based on the films, Lord of the Rings: Conquest, and the Middle Earth games Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I agree it could be. Its time to quit blaming an inanimate gun that takes a human to operate it and focus on the humans.

I don't see it as an either-or question: the risk a person poses when they have issues that render them more aggressive is proportional to the lethality of the tools or weapons they have. A person with homicidal tendencies is dangerous with a hammer, even more dangerous with a knife, and exponentially more dangerous with an assault rifle.

Whether violent video games are among the causes of violent tendencies is highly disputed, and it hasn't been solidly established so far. I wouldn't entirely rule out the possibility, but it seems to me a minor prospect compared to well-established and currently pressing issues such as poverty and lack of sufficient mental health care.

 

[SomeRandom]

Don't know about the other two, but nah The Witcher III would be a Third-Person Shooter game, in which the camera is over the character's shoulder, and the reticule (typically with ranged weapons like the crossbow or Witcher Signs) is a nebulous reticle, rather than being projected from the character's center-of-view. Depends on which Lord of the Rings game, but most I've played have been TPS as well; the ones based on the films, Lord of the Rings: Conquest, and the Middle Earth games Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War.

There was one lord of the rings game way back in the day, where you could play as an archer specifically, using FPS dynamics.
I can’t for the life of me remember which one it was, though. I will try to find it on Google lol
I remember playing it on a handheld device (old one lol.)
Like back when the PJ movies were coming out
Agree with you about Witcher 3
Though I’ve seen it lumped in with the genre all the same
Bit weird I suppose

 

[We Never Know]

I have, but okay.
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Far Cry: Primal
No Man's Sky

Then some that have guns, but in which they are not the primary focus or weapon, and are actually advised against in use:
Mirror's Edge
Mirror's Edge: Catalyst
Dishonored
Dishonored 2

Those aren't FPS games to my knowledge.

In FPS game the main concept is guns, shooting and killing people.

 

[Aštra’el]

I have, but okay.
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

No, lol. The Elder Scrolls games are not First Person Shooters… they are RPGs.