First person shooter video games

[Heyo]

How about literature? The Libertine movement, which was a literal actual movement of very extreme hedonists that lasted a couple centuries, all produced books and plays that are all accepted as classical literary canon.
Do I really need to explain the plot of 120 Days of Sodom? And how graphically violent it actually is?
Gaming doesn’t really have an equivalent to that yet and that book was written in the late 1700s by a hedonist who’s bedroom escapades could put most BDSM places to shame, irl.
I mean geez, he’s the literal namesake for the word “sadism” in the English language (fun fact!) Guess what that bloke was into!
I think he even wrote it in a prison cell.

Just as a side note as this gets off-topic: de Sade was a moralist and revolutionary. The plot of the 120 Days is that a banker, a general and a bishop get together to torture poor people for fun and with impunity.

 

[We Never Know]

Well, in the real world with real guns, real people are killed. In a video game, it's just pixels on a screen. Nobody is really killed.

Some military are virtual trained. But its just a game.

 

[We Never Know]

You can in effect “shoot spells” you know?
Like I’m not even a fan of the FPS genre and even I won’t limit them to mere shooter games alone.

Shoot someone with a spell and have them shoot you with a gun. Who do you think will fare best?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Some military are virtual trained. But its just a game.

Citation needed

 

[We Never Know]

The statistical thingamabob doesn't establish that as a real thing that happens.

Near $100 billion might have something to do with that.

 

[We Never Know]

Citation needed

Enlist. Oh... Here's a starter....

Military Virtual Training & Simulation | Advancing The Mission. Supporting The Force

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Enlist. Oh... Here's a starter....

Military Virtual Training & Simulation | Advancing The Mission. Supporting The Force

Yeah, so from that the most clear it gets is "As it becomes increasingly more difficult, costly, and risky to replicate the future operating environment in real-world exercises, the services are turning their training initiatives toward the power of modeling, simulation, and virtual training to realistically replicate where they will fight, who they will fight with, and where they will fight." A far cry from "Play Call of Duty and you'll be a soldier in no time." Do you have specific examples of these virtual training simulations?

 

[Heyo]

Age restrictions don't stop parents or someone else buying the games for the younger kids.
No different than alcohol and cigs.

Exactly. And as they are no different, they deserve the same treatment. Don't sell them to minors and inform parents why they shouldn't give them to children.

 

[Heyo]

No one wants to point reasons or blame toward mental illness, medications, violent games, etc etc. They want to blame the gun.

However there has to be a reason why mass shootings have risen besides just blaming the "inanimate gun". The gun takes a human to operate it. What drives or is pushing those humans to do mass shootings?

So, this really is an attempt to use video games as a scapegoat and deflect from discussion about sensible gun regulation. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[We Never Know]

Yeah, so from that the most clear it gets is "As it becomes increasingly more difficult, costly, and risky to replicate the future operating environment in real-world exercises, the services are turning their training initiatives toward the power of modeling, simulation, and virtual training to realistically replicate where they will fight, who they will fight with, and where they will fight." A far cry from "Play Call of Duty and you'll be a soldier in no time." Do you have specific examples of these virtual training simulations?

Ask the US military

 

[We Never Know]

So, this really is an attempt to use video games as a scapegoat and deflect from discussion about sensible gun regulation. Thanks for clearing that up.

"However there has to be a reason why mass shootings have risen besides just blaming the "inanimate gun". The gun takes a human to operate it. What drives or is pushing those humans to do mass shootings?"


Whats In your own words are the reasons?

 

[We Never Know]

Oh, you're gonna get it from apologists
for The Gaming Industrial Complex.

Wow!!! It really is a sore spot

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Ask the US military

So you don't know, you're just seeing the words "virtual training" and leaping to assumptions. Got it.

Virtual training is used by the military to do their best in training soldiers the basics of their job in terms of strategy and use of terrain, urban or unfamiliar combat beyond what a mock-up battlefield can replicate, and rudimentary function of mechanics like tanks and vehicles. It does not train how to shoot a gun, nor are they able to convey the true experiences of a combat situation; something the DoD has addressed as a limitation to the budding program.

Additionally, and more applicably, there are virtual training programs that train remote combatants how to fly and operate drone aircraft.

 

[We Never Know]

This thread has gotten more comments than many actual mass shooter threads. That alone speaks for itself IMO.

 

[We Never Know]

So you don't know, you're just seeing the words "virtual training" and leaping to assumptions. Got it.

Virtual training is used by the military to do their best in training soldiers the basics of their job in terms of strategy and use of terrain, urban or unfamiliar combat beyond what a mock-up battlefield can replicate, and rudimentary function of mechanics like tanks and vehicles. It does not train how to shoot a gun, nor are they able to convey the true experiences of a combat situation; something the DoD has addressed as a limitation to the budding program.

Additionally, and more applicably, there are virtual training programs that train remote combatants how to fly and operate drone aircraft.

You're right. I'm just retired military and don't know squat. You know it all because you heard or read it somewhere. Well played lol

 

[Heyo]

"However there has to be a reason why mass shootings have risen besides just blaming the "inanimate gun". The gun takes a human to operate it. What drives or is pushing those humans to do mass shootings?"


Whats In your own words are the reasons?

I don't know.
What I do know - and you have perfectly demonstrated - is that the gun lobby doesn't want to find out, at least not if availability of guns is on the list of possible reasons.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You're right. I'm just retired military and don't know squat. You know it all because you heard or read it somewhere. Well played lol

One would think that you'd be able to provide a more detailed experience of these virtual trainings if you had hands-on experience or more knowledge of them, yes. Something beyond "Virtual training = commercial video games". Being retired military, do you really think that a game like Call of Duty lives up to - in any way, shape or form - actual combat training? Because it absolutely does not.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Just as a side note as this gets off-topic: de Sade was a moralist and revolutionary. The plot of the 120 Days is that a banker, a general and a bishop get together to torture poor people for fun and with impunity.

I think you're being hugely generous in your descriptions of him there and perhaps mixing up the infamous film adaptation by Pier Paolo Pasolini - Salò - which is actually a political allegory using shocking imagery, whereas de Sade's little fragment of a novel was basically just a bunch of depraved sexual fantasies, and he apparently didn't view the aggressors as all that bad. It was Pasolini who gave that garbage any depth (although I still found the film boring, honestly). He had no morals. That's all I'll say about that.

 

[We Never Know]

One would think that you'd be able to provide a more detailed experience of these virtual trainings if you had hands-on experience or more knowledge of them, yes. Something beyond "Virtual training = commercial video games". Being retired military, do you really think that a game like Call of Duty lives up to - in any way, shape or form - actual combat training? Because it absolutely does not.

One clueless person would think that. However I have no requirement to supply that.

 

[We Never Know]

I don't know.
What I do know - and you have perfectly demonstrated - is that the gun lobby doesn't want to find out, at least not if availability of guns is on the list of possible reasons.

Neither does the $100 bilion game lobby.