First time hearing about the Virgin Mary

[Machavelle]

Don't blame me, Christians say it, not me.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Show her this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...here-little-girls-turn-into-boys-aged-12.html

You and your wife don't determine where the bottom line is.

Dont you think its word play?

We call women who have Not given birth virgins.
We call people who do, no virgins

If Mary was virgin and gave birth to a child she is no longer a virgin. There isnt anything behind it. i.e. Its just once you hit a certain age, you no longer a teenager. Cant be both.

That, and it could be what Quien said, unmarried woman. That makes more sense when rereading the stories. Unmarried woman can give birth.

 

[Machavelle]

The church is not teaching unmarried woman, let's be honest.

Jesus raised the dead, rose from the dead, walked on water, what's the wordplay translation over time for that.

 

[Machavelle]

There may be a God who Impregnated Mary, or an Alien or whatever

Maybe it's possible and beyond my understanding, neither believe nor disbelieve until I see, I lean towards disbelief but can't say it's wrong.

I may die and have God in my face saying fool you were wrong, there are no absolute certainties, only opinions.

 

[Draka]

A virgin, by most definitions, is someone who has not had sex. Something, in that day, that would be a requirement to become pregnant. I say "in that day" because nowadays we have the scientific advances to artificially impregnate. So a virgin birth over 2000 years ago, yeah, extremely unlikely. I mean, technically it is said that if a man were to ejaculate upon the outside of a woman, upon her labia, that it is still possible to get pregnant, but the odds of which are astoundingly high.

 

[Sleeppy]

No, but until we are shown a Virgin Birth, that's our story, and we're sticking to it.

The tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, the Virgin.

Good. Live a simple life. Not everything can, or will be shown to you. But, what's necessary to you will be shown.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Virginity of Maria is just a symbol. Why don't you get it? Who told you that biological Mary was a virgin? Religion just recommends,it is we the humans to get lessons from it.

Another question this response raises is why does God feel the need to express His "perfect" word in symbols, stories and other objects that are many times left to the reader's interpretation? Wouldn't a set of rules and laws to live by have been better expressed without any room for doubt as to the meaning? When I want to convey something specific to my co-workers so that they understand, I don't tell them a story. If I have a rule I want to make my children understand and obey - do I leave any interpretation as to the meaning of my words? Of course not - because telling stories and fables, while entertaining and reassuring, is an imperfect means of communication. Sure it's soft and cushy and feel-good, but it doesn't necessarily get the job done. Which is only evidenced in there being so many people who don't believe - and frankly, don't have to.

Who told me, the Bible, they say it's the word of God, until something like this is bought up the all of a sudden it's not the word of God.
It's preached everyday, the Virgin Mary

There is truth here, and Marcello has no avenue to a sensible reply.

 

[Machavelle]

Christians are telling me she was a virgin.

Others are saying it's a story and only the meaning matters.

Others are saying Virgin meant unmarried.

Others said her husband did not believe her and God had to show him.

Four conflicting Christian views, no wonder it's confusing, Christians are not even agreeing with each other, now if her husband did not believe her despite her so called perfection, why would I believe it without gods help.

 

[Machavelle]

God is all knowing, perfect, yet the Bible that is the word of God is littered with contradictions.

It clearly states two different father's for Jesus, surely the lord speaking through the writer would get that right.

The modern bible has 14800 changes from the very first bible found.

How many stories were added and how many omitted from the Roman emperors.

 

[Useless2015]

Christians are telling me she was a virgin.

Others are saying it's a story and only the meaning matters.

Others are saying Virgin meant unmarried.

Others said her husband did not believe her and God had to show him.

Four conflicting Christian views, no wonder it's confusing, Christians are not even agreeing with each other, now if her husband did not believe her despite her so called perfection, why would I believe it without gods help.

In Islaam the virgin birth is explained very simple and direct.
Just how the Universe and Earth was created out of nothing same applies to the creation of Jesus pbuh

• 2:117- The Initiator of the heavens and the earth: to have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is.

• 3:47- She said, "My Lord, how can I have a son, when no man has touched me?" He said, "God thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, 'Be,' and it is."

 

[George-ananda]

My Wife and I are both Buddhist, I came into it at age 14, my wife since birth.

Recently after being hounded by a Christian woman to convert she politely excused herself and left.

Knowing absolutely nothing about Christianity she asked why the lady refered to Mary as the Virgin Mary, I explained the story of Mary and Jesus.

It was interesting to see the reaction from a woman from a Village who has not grown up with these stories.

she believes she had an affair and lied to her husband, and he convinced himself it's true through Fear of losing his beloved wife, how it grew from there is what really amazed her.

Bottom line, Virgin's Cannot give Birth, and she finds it very amusing.

No offence to Christians, just an interesting moment seeing a point of view of someone completely ignorant of any Bible teachings as we only see generally opinions from those who grew up with these stories.

Is your wife not open to the possibility that miracles can indeed happen?

 

[FearGod]

My Wife and I are both Buddhist, I came into it at age 14, my wife since birth.

Recently after being hounded by a Christian woman to convert she politely excused herself and left.

Knowing absolutely nothing about Christianity she asked why the lady refered to Mary as the Virgin Mary, I explained the story of Mary and Jesus.

It was interesting to see the reaction from a woman from a Village who has not grown up with these stories.

she believes she had an affair and lied to her husband, and he convinced himself it's true through Fear of losing his beloved wife, how it grew from there is what really amazed her.

Bottom line, Virgin's Cannot give Birth, and she finds it very amusing.

No offence to Christians, just an interesting moment seeing a point of view of someone completely ignorant of any Bible teachings as we only see generally opinions from those who grew up with these stories.

That leads us to ask ourselves how males and females happened to exist.
Was there always males and females from the first day on earth ?
As we know that there were no genders, just simple bacteria.
That simple bacteria which is genderless has evolved during billions of years to several creatures
including humans as males and females, so yes it's irrational to say that virgin Mary gave birth while
she was a virgin but it's rational to say that the Bacteria evolved to humans since billions of years was
enough for such process to success.

 

[Machavelle]

Is your wife not open to the possibility that miracles can indeed happen?

Absolutely, however like all sensible people she like me would like to witness the miracle.
The problem lies in the contradictions, it makes it very difficult to believe a book that is so contradicting.

 

[outhouse]

As I understand it, a more accurate translation of "virgin" with respect to women in the Bible is actually "unmarried woman" given the time period in which it was written.

While true, that aspect was intentionally plagiarized to fictionally build divinity with a miraculous birth.

Its much more then a simple linguistic misunderstanding. These Hellenist were building divinity not just to compete against the Emperor as "son of god" but build a character that was better and more divine.

 

[Machavelle]

That leads us to ask ourselves how males and females happened to exist.
Was there always males and females from the first day on earth ?
As we know that there were no genders, just simple bacteria.
That simple bacteria which is genderless has evolved during billions of years to several creatures
including humans as males and females, so yes it's irrational to say that virgin Mary gave birth while
she was a virgin but it's rational to say that the Bacteria evolved to humans since billions of years was
enough for such process to success.

You can show me males, females, bacteria, you cannot show me Mary, therefore I cannot be sure.

 

[outhouse]

Absolutely, however like all sensible people she like me would like to witness the miracle.
The problem lies in the contradictions, it makes it very difficult to believe a book that is so contradicting.

Credible Scholars all view the birth legends as pious fiction.

The authors were writing about events about some 70-100 years in the past, far from the geographic location, and far from the actual culture involved in his life.

All of these authors wrote in rhetorical prose, with the sole purpose of persuasion in every letter.

 

[outhouse]

Was there always males and females from the first day on earth ?

Most mammals yes.

Some fish can change sex

Every taken a credible biology class?

 

[Machavelle]

Credible Scholars all view the birth legends as pious fiction.

The authors were writing about events about some 70-100 years in the past, far from the geographic location, and far from the actual culture involved in his life.

All of these authors wrote in rhetorical prose, with the sole purpose of persuasion in every letter.

Exactly

 

[outhouse]

That simple bacteria which is genderless has evolved during billions of years to several creatures
including humans as males and females,

Factually wrong.

That's why you cannot nor do you ever substantiate your claims.

 

[Machavelle]

With all his power, what is his purpose for creating man, then ignoring all but a few prophets.